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moot point



Joined: 22 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:02 pm    Post subject: Too much time on our hands Reply with quote

I've been perusing all the different forums here on Dave's site and I've come to the conclusion that the content of the posters is a very good reflection of the working conditions in each country.

As for this one, it is obvious that teachers in Japan have a whole lot of free time on their hands. It could be both good or bad, depending on how you look at it.
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bearcat



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the point of this thread? I think readers can see it coming across to incite a flaming debate as opposed to discussing something prevalent to the Industry here.
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denise



Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

bearcat wrote:
What is the point of this thread? I think readers can see it coming across to incite a flaming debate as opposed to discussing something prevalent to the Industry here.


I agree.

I teach from 9am until 3pm, with some breaks in between. I usually get to school at 8. I bring lessons, materials, etc. home with me and do a lot of work at home. I also have plenty of time to visit friends, exercise, read, relax, etc. Is that so bad?!?!? I call it good time management.

As for the relationship between the content of the posts and the working conditions, would you care to elaborate? Keeping in mind, of couse, that working conditions vary according to type of school, location, personalities of boss and staff, etc. I think my own situation is fairly atypical.

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tjg_marantz



Joined: 01 Apr 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think OP was just posting an observation that passed through his/her head, nothing more, nothing less. No need to read a whole lot into every single post. IMHO.
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Tamago86



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 11:53 pm    Post subject: oo Reply with quote

Interesting. However the China and Korea forums have aloot of posts per day compared to this one..Where the Japan, Taiwan and Hong Kong forums don't have so much. Maybe another factor is that most people go on these types of forums to complain? Those forums that have less posters could mean that they either don't have time to complain or there's not much to complain about :lol:
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moot point



Joined: 22 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is no point to be made in this thread. It is just an observation.

I find the titles of most threads to be very interesting but when I delve into them I am often disappointed by the hijackers in the post. The "Life becomes Japan...how is it?" thread is a prime example. PaulH and Malcom you ought to spend more time with your family I reckon, mate, y'all, yeah, eh?

As for maintaining talk about the "industry", which BTW I find is an interesting term for what I would prefer to call "English education" but it seems to become more and more industrious every year, doesn't it?

I don't want to point fingers, but the majority of posts, especially those made by current teachers in Japan, are completely off-topic with regards to teaching.

BUT, I think I've proven my point in that so many people have responded in such a short time since the original post. Thanks.
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bearcat



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 6:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

moot point wrote:
There is no point to be made in this thread. It is just an observation.

I find the titles of most threads to be very interesting but when I delve into them I am often disappointed by the hijackers in the post. The "Life becomes Japan...how is it?" thread is a prime example. PaulH and Malcom you ought to spend more time with your family I reckon, mate, y'all, yeah, eh?

As for maintaining talk about the "industry", which BTW I find is an interesting term for what I would prefer to call "English education" but it seems to become more and more industrious every year, doesn't it?

I don't want to point fingers, but the majority of posts, especially those made by current teachers in Japan, are completely off-topic with regards to teaching.

BUT, I think I've proven my point in that so many people have responded in such a short time since the original post. Thanks.
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Hmm.

Yep, you were just looking to incite a flaming debate.

1. You open this post with a veiled attack on Malcom and paulh.

2. You looked to dredge up the use of the term industry as opposed to education. A term that has been used for at least 15 years or more to refer to English Teaching here. Most teachers here do not dispute that nor dispute the fact that the western perception of education is at odds with the reality of teaching here. This is a rehashing of an old debate and one that can get ugly.

3. Stating "I don't want to point fingers" means you are pointing a finger and again implies you're looking to incite something... in this case that you're stating that most posts are off topic. Which I do not agree with.

You proved my point. And I think the readers(some of whom have already chimed in) agree that was your true intent.

By the way, how long have you been in country?
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denise



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bearcat,

Again, I agree with you. I think the OP's intentions are not good at all. A bit insulting/condescending. Using the number of replies as validation of his point is just plain silly. I reply quickly because I have free internet access at school and plenty of breaks, plus internet access at home. Too much time on my hands? Nope. It has taken me all of three minutes to read this thread and respond.

As far as posts not being directly related to teaching--there is far more to living in Japan, or any foreign country, than just teaching. Things like how to find apartments, how to meet people, how to find non-Japanese items, etc. are all relevant to life here. We are not merely teachers; we are people trying to cope in different environments.

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malcoml



Joined: 28 Dec 2004
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 9:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moot Point


No way mate I'm flat out enjoying all this good stuff, we'll hook up next time your in town and I'll show you the ropes. 24 hours is just not enough for a day.

http://japanvisitor.com/jc/sex/glossary.html

Paul will be busy aswell, he has a very important job controlling SampainP8 posts. So as for to much time, no we we're all busy with our special jobs and social life.
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homersimpson



Joined: 14 Feb 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inciting flames or not, sometimes I only wish I had too much time on my hands. Between teaching and club activities and whatnot, I'm away from home from 7:15 a.m. to about 7:30 p.m. everyday on average.
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PAULH



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

moot point wrote:
There is no point to be made in this thread. It is just an observation.

I find the titles of most threads to be very interesting but when I delve into them I am often disappointed by the hijackers in the post. The "Life becomes Japan...how is it?" thread is a prime example. PaulH and Malcom you ought to spend more time with your family I reckon, mate, y'all, yeah, eh?
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What I do is none of your business. You forget I am a Moderator on this forum. I have a LAN connection at home and at work and have plenty of free time. I have now dealt with that thread and the aftermath including an Internet troll.


moot point wrote:
TAs for maintaining talk about the "industry", which BTW I find is an interesting term for what I would prefer to call "English education" but it seems to become more and more industrious every year, doesn't it?
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It is an industry, because you have teachers teaching companies, jukus, elementary schools., high schools, semongakkkos, universities, junior colleges. You have Japanese teachers teaching TOEIC and TOEFL and 2 year old kids at home. You also have unions that service all those teachers when they get into difficulty with their employers. General Union in Osaka has about 250 paid-up members with branches in Nagoya and I believe one in Russia.

Maybe we should make it like the General Forum where non-teaching topics are banned, or the China Off-topic forum, or the Korea Forum where posters have to get a separate password from Dave Sperling to enter. And yes you are pointing fingers, by naming me by name.

Would you like me to start culling irrelevant (in my opinion) posts?

moot point wrote:
TI don't want to point fingers, but the majority of posts, especially those made by current teachers in Japan, are completely off-topic with regards to teaching.
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This is an ESL forum but it is a Japan forum, where people can get information not only about teaching but about living and working in Japan. The Australian post you mention sprung from attitudes to Japanese people living and working in Australia, what children of international couples are called in Australia and sank into a racial diatribe based on stereotypes. As far as I know Malcolm has never lived or worked in japan, but was willing to let the thread continue as long as insults were kept of the thread though the language used in another setting would have meant the thread was deleted a long time ago.
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ndorfn



Joined: 15 Mar 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2005 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with the OP, there are some people with an incredible amount of time on their hands which they choose to spend on various message boards. I don't know how it compares to other countries, but damn, I'm so jealous.

Though I sure wouldn't be putting in the hours on a computer if I had that much free time.
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