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[Chris420]

Hello. Newbie here. I'm trying to figure out a way to survive in Taiwan with no degree. From what I hear so far, people just fly in on a tourist visa and do a visa run every 2 months. Is there a way around having to do that, such as upgrading to some sort resident visa that will last a while? Also, which cities are best for an illegal teacher to work in? And how do you avoid getting caught? Also, I thought about going to Bangkok to get a fake degree off Khao San road. How well do those work? Any tips on surviving without a degree would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Chris420

p.s. Can people with a criminal record get into Taiwan? (I'm not the one with a criminal record).

[junkmail]

This is a public forum that is probably read by immigration. Don't expect too many responses, particularly to the last question. Anyway, it would probably depend on the nature of the crime.

[Ki]

I have heard a rumour that some people attend language classes on a student visa. I would envisage that one could do this for a couple of years before the authorities started getting too suspicious. Getting caught working illegally could land you with deportation. Getting caught with a fake degree could land you in a little more trouble.

[junkmail]

Nicely put Ki, I should take lessons in subtlety from you.

[jamesallan]

Bloke I met in a pub said an Agency can get you fake Degree and therefore ARC....

[Aristotle]

Do not get a fake degree. SSETT can assist you in getting an ROC accepted degree in one year that will allow you to work with the sanction of the occupational Government on Taiwan.
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Having fraudulent documents is a crime and very easy to prove, should your employer decide not to pay you.
Get a Multiple Entry Tourist Visa for business purposes.
It will allow you to enter and leave Taiwan unharassed for a minimum of one year and can be extended for study or changed into an ARC with the least amount of hassle.
A little preperation can go a long way.

Multiple Entry Tourist Visa

Don't worry about immigration reading this, they are not stupid enough to risk offending a local gangster's (business person) cash cow.
Real business people are always looking for an excuse not to come to Taiwan and getting hassled by the Taiwan visa office is a great one that can cost a some ignorant bureaucrat their career and a whole lot more.
You can find work without a degree. Tell a perspective employer that you have one and it is in the mail. Telling lies of this nature is totally acceptable in Taiwanese society.
Your biggest problem is the same as everyone on Taiwan regardless of education, that is finding a good paying job. Taiwan's economy has been in decline for a better part of a decade and doesn't look to be getting any better. Wages are in decline island wide and inflation is rising.
The subsequent decrease in the standard of living is inevitable and barring a miracle or a major policy shift on the part of the corrupt, incompetent and racist occupational government...
Good luck!
A.

[junkmail]

Aristotle, I think you're making some dangerous assumptions about immigration there mate. This is exactly what caused trouble for people in Korea.
Whilst it's good of you to advise the guy, perhaps a PM next time?

[clark.w.griswald]

Chris I suggest that you re-evaluate your decision to come here. If you are committed to coming to Taiwan then I am sure that no one can stop you, but please be aware that you will be working illegally regardless of whether you have a fake degree or not.

If you are not set on Taiwan as a destination then I would suggest that you seek out a country that does not require a degree to be an English teacher.

As has been suggested here already, working without a degree is likely to get you a fine and deportation if you are caught. Working on a fake degree is likely to get you a period of incarceration, followed up by a fine and deportation.

[Serious_Fun]

I kant bee-leev that wee spent so much time and ener-gee on our ed-you-kay-shun...



Once again, an informed response by Clark G. !

[Girl Scout]

I can't beleive you are taking this post seriously. Troll was the first thing that came to mind when I started reading it.

[junkmail]

[Aristotle]

[junkmail]

Yes, but that doesn't stop the Taiwanese authorities from cracking down on FTs working illegaly.
I just think some things are best left unsaid on public forums. It's just my opinion.

[Aristotle]

A degree does not gaurantee the right of non Chinese to work or live on Taiwan. There are no gaurantees for non Chinese on Taiwan because we have no rights in the eyes of the occupational Chinese governemnt.
The Government can't crack down on non Chinese teachers unless they are registered as illegal teachers with the government. They have already done the best they can by banning all non teachers from many schools. They did that because the racist occupational government feared that non Chinese teachers were teaching students things forbidden in Taiwanese culture like integrity, honesty, accountability and respect for other people before they were able to fully assimulate into the corrpt society that is Taiwan. It had nothing to do with the credentials of the teachers or schools.
This was the major reason so many teachers got deported last year when the occupational government changed the rules for Kindergarten teachers and invalidated their ARC's.
If a person does not tell the government that they are working without sanction, the lazy and incompetent officials are not going to go out and find them.
Corrupt officials only do there job when the get bribed to do it or it becomes impossible for them to avoid it. Getting an illegitimate ARC is worse than getting no ARC because they know where people work and that they are a teachers with no quanxi. They make it too easy.
A.

[clark.w.griswald]