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SA_Massive
Joined: 22 Apr 2004 Posts: 26 Location: Aust
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:18 pm Post subject: Many ALT positions starting in 2 weeks time!? |
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I live in Kansai and pretty happy working in the Eikaiwa field. However, at some stage I would like to change jobs and become and Elementary School ALT, mainly because of daytime working hours, possibly more challenge, freedom and responsibility.
I've noticed that there has been a huge number of job postings by W5 and Interac recently. The positions start in September 2 and run until around Febuary- March.
Just W5 alone , must have atleast 30 positions they are currently trying to fill.
Does this strike anyone else as strange? On one hand it seems like a great opportunity to get an ALT position, but on the other hand, I find it unusual that they are hiring at such late notice - 2 weeks to interview, train and do adminisatration stuff. It sounds a bit unorganised to me.
Anyway, I would just like to ask someones advice whether they think these companies can be trusted (If they won so many ALT contracts at such notice, they might lose them at short notice too?)
I would certainly prefer an ALT job, but maybe waiting until the main hiring season (When I will also have a fresh visa) and more employment options is a good idea, rather than make a rash decision which I may regret.
Also I would rather give my employer much more than 1-2 weeks notice.
There must be a few of you who have been in the same position?
If anyone has any thoughts or advice, Thank you!
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rai
Joined: 19 Jun 2005 Posts: 119 Location: Osaka
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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One of the biggest headaches working for dispatch companies is that they have to bid for contracts. Often the city doesn't decide on which company to go with until distressingly close to the start of the contract. Hence the short notice and hiring window. This is indeed one of the hiring windows for ALT's; September is the start of nigaki, or the second tri-mester in the public schools. The biggest hiring window is before the school year starts in April. Unfortunately, the better jobs (like mine, I work directly for a school board) start hiring much earlier, sometimes in January or February.
Dispatch companies can be a pain, but it gets you experience in the public schools. I started off with a dispatch company 4 years ago, and now I have a great job (well, great except for the first tri-mester when I was at a bad school). Oh, and training? There usually isn't much of that It sounds like these jobs run through the second and third trimesters, which would take you up until next school year, at which time you will have some experience teaching in the public schools. Sounds good to me...
Um, either that or they lost a LOT of teachers after the first tri-mester. Don't know the companies very well. I'd still use them for the resume building; hell it's only Sept-Mar, right? |
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Revenant Mod Team


Joined: 28 Jul 2005 Posts: 1109
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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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w5 has been discussed on here and other sites like GPot. They have an extremely high hire turnover rate. |
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wangtesol
Joined: 24 May 2005 Posts: 280
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 8:47 pm Post subject: ALT outsourcing business is illegal and disorganized |
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Yes, W5 and other ALT outsourcing companies are very disorganized since boards of education decide which company will be chosen at the last moment. Recently, there has been a trend to get contracts for ALTs to start in April, so ALT contracts that have started in September have been terminated with little notice in February or March so the teacher is left high and dry.
In one case, RCS lost 10 contracts in Honjo, Saitama to Shane language school in April 2004. That meant that 10 RCS teachers who had worked at their jobs for 8 months suddenly lost their jobs since RCS had lost the bids for the contracts to Shane. It is very possible that you could be facing a similar situation.
Underlying all this disorganization is the fact that most ALT positions are illegal. That is, the outsourcing company signs an illegal gyomu itaku contract with the board of education in the attempts to avoid the regulations of Dispatch Law (haken kaisha ho). The Japanese Ministry of Education issued a notice in February 2005 to all prefectural boards of education to have this practice stopped since it also violates Education Law section 28 where it states that the principal must be in charge of all staff including the ALT. However, in the gyomu itaku practice, the company is in charge of you, not the principal.
You can read more and see how the migrant worker unions are fighting this illegal system at www.nambufwc.org. There is also a "sticky" in this forum on this very subject.
I would hold off until April if you can or join a union, know your rights and fight them. ALT companies are very vulnerable to union fights. I do not know of one ALT case that has been lost in the last year. Don't join the union at the last moment though, since often there is a 3 month backlog on cases. |
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6810

Joined: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 309
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Posted: Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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SA - The high number of positions is not unusual. I think summer generally sees people with more time up their sleeves to re-evaluate their positions and jump ship, move on or do something else. |
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SA_Massive
Joined: 22 Apr 2004 Posts: 26 Location: Aust
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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for your advice.
I guess 'the grass is always greener'' but I've decided to stick with Eikaiwa for a while,
I will keep my eyes open during the main hiring season.
Until then, its 'listen and repeat: a homemaker, a bank clerk .....' |
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PAULH
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Posts: 4672 Location: Western Japan
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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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SA_Massive wrote: |
Thanks for your advice.
I guess 'the grass is always greener'' but I've decided to stick with Eikaiwa for a while,
I will keep my eyes open during the main hiring season.
Until then, its 'listen and repeat: a homemaker, a bank clerk .....' |
The grass is a dark shade of brown if you decide to go with a dispatch company like I have described in the stickies. A definite step backwards, IMO. |
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Sage

Joined: 09 Apr 2003 Posts: 144 Location: Iwate no inaka!
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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah well I await information on how to get an ALT job if you don't speek fluid Japanese, know someone who knows someone, or have the time to travel around Japan going from BoE to BoE to look for work directly.
Otherwise it looks like the only way to work in Japan and not be a ekaiwa robot slave is to go dispatch like Interac or the like. Yeah there might be a bunch of downsides with dispatch but can anyone tell me there aren't a bunch of downsides to ekaiwa work?
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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can anyone tell me there aren't a bunch of downsides to ekaiwa work? |
It all depends on the eikaiwa, of course, and on your perspective, experience, and goals. Eikaiwas have advantages and disadvantages.
Some advantages:
1. Some hire from abroad, thus you don't have to burn money coming here and looking for work.
2. Most provide housing, so you don't have to deal with the hassles of finding it and furnishing it.
3. Some provide a margin of training.
4. Some have their own format for teaching, so you don't have to create lessons.
5. Class sizes are small.
6. They set up your bank account for you, and most pay on time through automatic deposit.
Some disadvantages:
1. Even though some hire from abroad, you still have to pay expenses to attend them (sometimes traveling a long distance and getting lodging for 3 days). And, you also have to deal with their recruiting schedules.
2. Housing hassles still exist in some cases. NOVA puts people in with other teachers, so you would be living with strangers, and they inflate the rent. AEON requires that you pay rent on their apartments even if you get one of your own.
3. Training is marginal at best, and it is only good for their format.
4. Sometimes you have to teach many lessons a day ( 6 to with hardly a break between them.
5. Work schedules are usually from noon to 9pm, when the customers are most available, so that limits your personal evening time. Also, your weekends may not be 2 consecutive days.
6. Salaries are falling, and some places will offer so little that it is hard to live on, yet desperate teachers will propagate this trend by taking it.
7. Some put illegal clauses into their contracts and fail to explain this to employees.
8. Most do not pay your airfare to come here. |
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6810

Joined: 16 Nov 2003 Posts: 309
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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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6. Salaries are falling, and some places will offer so little that it is hard to live on, yet desperate teachers will propagate this trend by taking it. |
I dunno, I keep hearing and reading this but to me it's a little more complex. I think it is largely ignorance, rather than desperation (or perhaps more accurately a mix). This ignorance to me, combined with the institutionalised assumption of foreigner/client transience, is a key function of not simply the propogation of low wages but of the very industry itself.
In other words, what has been said for a long time - the foreign employee is a disposable and seemingly infinitely replacable human/language commodity.
I also disagree with the painting of dispatch companies as somehow villains. The whole industry is moving toward exploiting employees' short term transience and is simply working to protect itself from exorbitant losses. This pattern or strategy was set in place a long time ago by transient, aloof and mutually exploitative foreigners who repeatedly abused the system, cut corners, disrespected contracts and failed to realise the implications of these actions within the Japanese social-structure.
That said, I think the coporate response stinks. But it shouldn't go unsaid that many companies and organisations in the west are undergoing similar transformation in regard to employee-employer relations, demolishing traditional union relationships/function and so on. To me it is part of a broader trend.
So for those looking for stability within the English teaching profession in Japan, you're just gonna have to work harder, build relationships and keep fighting (but is it worth it?). For those interested in embedding themselves in the Tertiary education sector, work harder, perfect your Japanese, get published just as a real academic back home would.
The other option for lifers is to get out of the relatively responsiblity-free English teaching sector and move into the the real Japanese workforce/gulag.
That said, I could make a hell of a lot more money as a foreigner if I worked in the local Toyota plant (just 20 minutes from my house by car) with all the same labour rights as the Indonesian, Phillipine, Peruvian and Brazilian immigrant factory workers (all totally legal). Through friends I could get into manufacturing (family friend in the pachinko business), construction (brother in-law, family friend) or automotive parts sales (colleague). All of these positions require few skills and are widely available to foreign Japanese speakers (convenience store arubaitos are a bit harder to swing since there were some robberies by -naturally - "Chinese" staff).
I teach English because I have an interest in childhood learning, language acquisition and community development. I am aware of my own temporariness and exploit it to my advantage - I have a good holiday package, my weekly hours leave room for part time work and thus the potential to significantly increase my earning beyond subsistence level. Over time I have managed to string together a highly favourable working environment with enormous flexibility and thus stability with a handful of companies and my own initiative.
For everyone else though, English teaching in Japan is akin to fruit-picking in Australia or bar-work in Britain. You earn some cash, make some friends, you party on, it's largely responsibility free and you get out when you're done. The industry has seen this pattern and moved on it.
My point is, the longer you are in Japan and the more skilfully you assess working conditions, renumeration and time-management both back "home" and in Japan the better positioned you are to take full advantage of this odd zone of internationalisation/exclusion/xenophobia that is English teaching in Japan. In the family situation where english teaching doesn't promise a full-time salary man gig via the 50s and 60s then it's time to grow up and move into more stable industries/businesses/the fulltime gulag etc.
My 2 yen. |
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rai
Joined: 19 Jun 2005 Posts: 119 Location: Osaka
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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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PAULH wrote: |
The grass is a dark shade of brown if you decide to go with a dispatch company like I have described in the stickies. A definite step backwards, IMO. |
I have to disagree. My three year stint working for a dispatch company in Osaka was great, a definite improvement over my Nova gig. I made 250,000 yen/month, but they gave me a quite large, very cheap apartment, with utilities included in the rent. Some smaller dispatch companies are quite nice and will even have a Japanese staff member go to the doctor with you if you get sick. Nova didn't do that. I also taught WAY FEWER lessons a week than at Nova.
Yeah, some dispatch companies suck, but not all of them, and it gives you experience in the public schools. I used that experience to land a job directly with a school board, which came with a HUGE raise in salary. I love the people on this thread who seem to be advising the OP to get a school board gig. Yeah, they are better, but also RARE and COMPETITIVE. Get some experience, than try it.
I may have mentioned it before, but try I.E.S. in Osaka. They were really professional and trustworthy. |
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canuck

Joined: 11 May 2003 Posts: 1921 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 1:04 am Post subject: |
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rai wrote: |
I have to disagree. My three year stint working for a dispatch company in Osaka was great, a definite improvement over my Nova gig. I made 250,000 yen/month, but they gave me a quite large, very cheap apartment, with utilities included in the rent. Some smaller dispatch companies are quite nice and will even have a Japanese staff member go to the doctor with you if you get sick. Nova didn't do that. I also taught WAY FEWER lessons a week than at Nova. |
How many of them pay during the holidays? How many provide an apartment? How many of them....
Either you did it a long time ago, or you're dreaming. No dispatching company is going to provide you with an apartment and 95% aren't going to pay you with a full salary. Even IES, which you mention, doesn't have any teaching gigs around...I know, my friend worked for them a few years ago and they didn't win any contracts.
Let's look at the realistic situation now. There is ECC, Zenken, Interac, W5 and a host of others. ECC is something like 14,000 a day, but it's only part-time, 2 or 3 days a week and sending you to different schools, paid when you work, no holidays. Zenken is evil. Interac is basically the same as ECC, but they pay you at quite a reduced salary during the vactioncation time, however you also don't go for long stretches at a time, during the school year, which you aren't paid. W5 is the same deal, paid when you work, that's it. At least with Nova, it's a guaranteed paycheque every month, at a higher rate, usually in one place. Pick your situation carefully. |
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rai
Joined: 19 Jun 2005 Posts: 119 Location: Osaka
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:22 am Post subject: |
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canuck wrote: |
How many of them pay during the holidays? How many provide an apartment? How many of them....
Either you did it a long time ago, or you're dreaming. No dispatching company is going to provide you with an apartment and 95% aren't going to pay you with a full salary. Even IES, which you mention, doesn't have any teaching gigs around...I know, my friend worked for them a few years ago and they didn't win any contracts. |
I worked for my dispatch company about a year and a half ago. Again, I specified smaller companies, and you mentioned all big, corporate companies. I.E.S. gave me some short term contracts while I was waiting for my current job to start. I liked them because they were never misleading, unlike many of the other companies I talked to at the time (especially ZIAC!!).
As for the holy grail of school board jobs, they are not all so great either. I took a school board job in Nagano, and it sucked. This in spite of it paying 300,000 yen/month and coming with a two-storey house for 12,000 yen/month. I quit over summer vacation, came back to Osaka, worked for my old company in August, took the afore-mentioned short-term contracts with I.E.S. and finally bagged my current school board gig in an Osaka suburb. Even when I was looking for work and living in an awful "gaijin house" I never regretted leaving the Nagano gig. Where you live is just as important (maybe more so, in my case!) than your job. Oh yeah, my current job pays a lot (340,00 yen/month) but doesn't come with an apartment. Osaka prefectural high school gigs also require you to have your own housing, and part of their criteria for picking you is how centrally located your apartment is in Osaka!
There are many things to think about when looking for a job, but I must re-iterate; a dispatch gig gets you experience to put on your resume. It's crazy to think you can walk in and score a great job with just some eikaiwa experience (it happens, but people win the lottery too, its not a rational strategy for success... )
Oh yeah, my dispatch company paid me every month and gave me holidays, the only drawback was that it had an eikaiwa attached, and I had to teach in a pretty difficult children's summer program during August. Still, it was better than Nova. |
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Glenski

Joined: 15 Jan 2003 Posts: 12844 Location: Hokkaido, JAPAN
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 3:51 am Post subject: |
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I may have mentioned it before, but try I.E.S. in Osaka. They were really professional and trustworthy. |
Maybe so, but I have contacted them 3 times in response to ads they placed, where they looked for people with my specialty background. No reply. None whatsoever. It's rather hard to imagine someone more qualified than me for the positions, too.
PM me if you want to discuss the specifics, but I am not satisfied with their "professionalism". |
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wangtesol
Joined: 24 May 2005 Posts: 280
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 7:10 pm Post subject: smaller ALT companies |
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It has been my experience with smaller ALT companies, namely TRILS and RCS, that they just don't know what labor law says. When I took these two companies to the Labor Standards Office (rodo kijun kantokusho) they were found guilty of violating several labor laws including not having work rules (shugyo kisoku). Then, when they were forced to write work rules, RCS wrote some nonsense akin to promotional material and TRILS wrote something with which to further harass its workers.
At TRILS, the owners had a right-hand man who sucked ass and ratted out his fellow employees in exchange for job security and favourable treatement. But this kind of behaviour just makes work conditions worse for everyone. It is a common practice though. So, we formed a branch union under NUGW Tokyo South [url]www.nambufwc.org [/url]. This even helped out the right-hand man and he encouraged us to keep on fighting our employer. He eventually lost 40% of his contracts with the board of education in Fukaya, Saitama.
Of course, in any business those that suck up to management will probably receive some perks. Comparing ALT companies to Nova is just compaing one scofflaw company to another.
Nova is an industry leader though. Even a leader in how migrant workers in general are treated in Japan since they are the largest employer of foreign workers in the country. They are a union busting, health insurance avoiding, and labor law breaking bunch who undermine the stability of jobs for foreign workers with their insistence on using and enforcing short-term contracts. |
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