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linvestor
Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 11
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:04 pm Post subject: Working in Taiwan, bringing wife & 5 year old. Any comm |
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Hoping to find employment on the island of Taiwan. Just wondering does anyone have experience or knowledge regarding bringing family with them. Any advice would be apprieciated. |
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Miyazaki
Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 635 Location: My Father's Yacht
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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No, you don't need a degree to teach EFL in Taiwan. There are many people teaching legally with only a diploma.
A friend from Canada recently got a job with only a 2 year college diploma in hotel management.
The Council of Labour Afffairs will provide ARC and work permits for diploma holders who find jobs at language schools in Taiwan. |
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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2056
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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I am not sure that coming here with children is a good idea unless you are coming as an expat on an expat package. If you are seeking employment locally at a buxiban or some such private English school then I am not sure that you will earn the money nor have the appropriate hours to really look after your children. I know that some people do it, but I suspect that they find it quite difficult to do.
I think if you want to travel with your family as a teacher then you should probably get an education degree and seek employment within the international school system. The hours are probably more suited to having kids, the money is definitely suited to a family, and the job security and stability will also be welcomed by someone with mouths to feed at home.
Miyazaki wrote: |
No, you don't need a degree to teach EFL in Taiwan. There are many people teaching legally with only a diploma. |
As we have established on another thread just recently, Miyazaki's claim above is just plain wrong.
In order to qualify for legal employment as a foreign teacher in Taiwan you need either:
a) a bachelors degree or above; or
b) a diploma plus TESOL certification
There are two problems with b) however.
1. Nobody knows and therefore nobody is able to tell you what kinds of diplomas from what kinds of institutions are accepted by the government. Equally unclear is which TESOL certifications are accepted by the government as there are so many companies out there offering these and not all of them are accepted by the government.
2. Not all schools either know, or will accept, that a teacher with anything less than a full university degree can qualify for legal employment here and therefore you may find yourself passed over for other applicants who have a degree.
Obviously there is very little that you can do about this, short of getting yourself a degree. I would advise that you contact the Council of Labor Affairs (CLA) in Taiwan directly as they are the ones who make the decision and they may be able to verify whether your documentation is acceptable or not. Do not contact your local TECO office in the country in which you live as you will likely get a lot of misinformation from them. |
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lumber Jack
Joined: 09 May 2005 Posts: 91 Location: UK/ROK
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 12:24 am Post subject: |
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People with a wife at home looking after the child can work at pretty much any time, I should have thought. The hours in Taiwan are surely not usually longer than a regular job back home.
The OP has one child, like me, and Taiwan salaries seem reasonably high. You can't live like a king, no doubt, but is there really a problem?
On the other issue, who asked anyway? |
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lumber Jack
Joined: 09 May 2005 Posts: 91 Location: UK/ROK
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 12:48 am Post subject: |
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Oh I see, linvestor asked on another thread. Well, could have been better to answer on the other thread then.........
By the way, there's no point getting too worked up about hearing the same old questions again and again, is there? It's much nicer to have someone answer you than trail through 1000 threads, which round here will involve seeing the face of Che Guevara 500 times. People are bound to have a go at getting some questions answered personally. |
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Miyazaki
Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 635 Location: My Father's Yacht
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 2:14 am Post subject: |
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clark.w.griswald wrote: |
As we have established on another thread just recently, Miyazaki's claim above is just plain wrong.
In order to qualify for legal employment as a foreign teacher in Taiwan you need either:
a) a bachelors degree or above; or
b) a diploma plus TESOL certification. |
Calrk w griswald is wrong. Do not pay any attention to this as there are thousands of people teaching EFL legally in Taiwan with only a diploma.
I had af friend who was provided with an ARC and work permit with only a 2 year diploma in hotel management - and that was as recently as last week.
Yes, you can obtain legal EFL employment in Taiwan with only a 2 year diploma. |
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TaoyuanSteve

Joined: 05 Feb 2003 Posts: 1028 Location: Taoyuan
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 2:55 am Post subject: |
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Miyazaki wrote: |
clark.w.griswald wrote: |
As we have established on another thread just recently, Miyazaki's claim above is just plain wrong.
In order to qualify for legal employment as a foreign teacher in Taiwan you need either:
a) a bachelors degree or above; or
b) a diploma plus TESOL certification. |
Calrk w griswald is wrong. Do not pay any attention to this as there are thousands of people teaching EFL legally in Taiwan with only a diploma.
I had af friend who was provided with an ARC and work permit with only a 2 year diploma in hotel management - and that was as recently as last week.
Yes, you can obtain legal EFL employment in Taiwan with only a 2 year diploma. |
Oh man, here we go again.
I'll repeat what I said: Many things are possible here. Not all are completely within the rules. Miya, I'm sure you have known of people who have gotten work permits with less than what is required by the government here. These are exceptions, though, not the norm. I think someone is pulling the wool over the eyes of the authorities, either the employer, employeee or both. It might be that the employer is asserting that their employee has a four year degree. It might be that the authorities don't know any better. Somebody pulled some strings. Many things are possible. However, it is clear that the rule is for work permits for foreign English teachers:
1) BA degree from a recognized university in an English speaking country
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2) two year diploma (same conditions as above) and tesl cert
If you don't possess either of the two, but may have similar, you need to check whether or not you will be able to obtain a work permit legally. If you possess credential set 2), you will also need to check carefully whether or not it will qualify. Also be aware that the best jobs are reserved for BA holders and above.
Clark and I have disagreed over things in the past, but he is dead right where these regulations are concerned. Heed the knowledgeable advice. I also don't know why Miya carries on the way he does. If one has a two year diploma, all they'd need to do to become lgit is complete a tesl cert. It's not a big deal. |
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TaoyuanSteve

Joined: 05 Feb 2003 Posts: 1028 Location: Taoyuan
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:16 am Post subject: Re: Working in Taiwan, bringing wife & 5 year old. Any |
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linvestor wrote: |
Hoping to find employment on the island of Taiwan. Just wondering does anyone have experience or knowledge regarding bringing family with them. Any advice would be apprieciated. |
Home schooling or international schools are your options. International schools are prohibitively expensive and would make it not worth your while to be here. Local schools are out unless your child is already fluent in Mandarin-- I have yet to see a Chinese as a second language class in local schools. There are other reasons to avoid the local school system as well. The teachers I have known who bring family with them have usually home schooled. |
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Miyazaki
Joined: 12 Jul 2005 Posts: 635 Location: My Father's Yacht
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 4:20 am Post subject: |
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TaoyuanSteve wrote: |
I'll repeat what I said: Many things are possible here. Not all are completely within the rules. Miya, I'm sure you have known of people who have gotten work permits with less than what is required by the government here. These are exceptions, though, not the norm. I think someone is pulling the wool over the eyes of the authorities, either the employer, employeee or both. It might be that the employer is asserting that their employee has a four year degree. It might be that the authorities don't know any better. Somebody pulled some strings. Many things are possible. However, it is clear that the rule is for work permits for foreign English teachers. |
Taoyuan Steve,
You are wrong - it is legal. No one has pulled any strings and the CLA hasn't made any mistakes.
The CLA grants ARC and work permits to diploma holders (one does not even need a TESOL certificate!) to teach EFL in Taiwan.
There are many people who only hold a diploma only and who are teaching legally in Taiwan.
I personally know people who are or have been in this situation. |
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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2056
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 5:09 am Post subject: |
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lumber Jack wrote: |
People with a wife at home looking after the child can work at pretty much any time, I should have thought. The hours in Taiwan are surely not usually longer than a regular job back home. |
I didn't see anything in the post about a stay at home mom!
My point was that most foreign teachers who teach in buxibans find themselves teaching school aged children in after school programs. Assuming that the OP's children are school aged, and that they would be attending school in Taiwan, then it seems to me that the parent/s would be teaching at the time that their own children are at home from school. Getting a maid a possibility of course, but they don't come cheap, escpecially for a buxiban teacher.
Possibly the OP was of the assumption that teaching was done during the day like back home and that their work day would end along with the kids school day. Quite the opposite would be true for most foreign teachers.
Miyazaki wrote: |
You are wrong - it is legal. No one has pulled any strings and the CLA hasn't made any mistakes.
The CLA grants ARC and work permits to diploma holders (one does not even need a TESOL certificate!) to teach EFL in Taiwan. |
The CLA is guided by regulations in the issuance of work permits. I have provided these regulations in another post on this matter. The regulations state very clearly the requirements for a work permit and what you are suggesting does not fit within these requirements.
As you are so sure that this is standard procedure Miyazaki, you should be able to produce the procedures that you believe they follow. So where are they?
Miyazaki wrote: |
There are many people who only hold a diploma only and who are teaching legally in Taiwan. |
This is a grose overstatement. As Taoyuan Steve says, possibly you have misunderstood the situation, or possibly you are referring to a teacher or teachers who have slipped through the cracks. This does not however make this standard practice, nor does it make it a fact that others should bank on. I suggest that you either prove your case Miyazaki, or at least concede that you are referring only to cases that you are aware of.
Miyazaki wrote: |
I personally know people who are or have been in this situation. |
And I personally know of people who have been rejected based solely upon the fact that they did not meet the governments minimum requirements. So where does it leave us - yes they do, no they don't , yes they do, no they don't.
Simple solution really Miyazaki. Post the relevant guidelines, regulations, or legislation, in fact any document from the government that states that foreign English teachers can be employed as you suggest they can! |
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Xenophobe
Joined: 11 Nov 2003 Posts: 163
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 6:14 am Post subject: |
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We've been here for a year and a half with an 11 year old and a 2 yr. old, plus we spent 5 years here with oldest when he was beween 2 and 7 yrs of age. it takes a little looking and a little juggling but it can be done . Both my wife and I work and make a comfortable wage, not a huge wage, but a comfortable one. The Dominican School in Gushan District (Kaohsiung) isn't too expensive, unlike KAS. There is also the Calvert homeschool program being offered here. |
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linvestor
Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 11
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 6:18 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for all the imput guys,
So far, it seems that what Griswald has said regarding the BA requirement in Taiwan adds further to the ongoing controversy with regards to the validity of a BA verifying the true qualification of a proper/professional teacher.
As there seems to be no clear indication, (based on the conflicting posts) I am led to believe that a person in my case with no BA simply "takes a chance on becoming hired."
As lumber jack has mentioned it is great to have responses to a posted question rather than to be told to view past posts, (even if the remarks are conflicting) as past post are just that "past" and regulations or prerequisites may have become updated since the original post.
At this time, I will keep checking this thread to see if there are other responses with regards to this topic.
In the meantime can any of you offer your opinions with regards to whether or not jobs can be obtained if you are NOT already in Taiwan? Are there any specific schools that you can name that I might contact directly as I am currently living and working in Hungary. I have submitted CV's (resumes) to almost every job postin on Ajarn but have not received any response...does this mean that schools prefer dealing with teachers presently in Taiwan?
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SanChong
Joined: 22 Nov 2005 Posts: 335
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 6:18 am Post subject: |
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MOD EDIT
You CANNOT legally teach in Taiwan with only a 2 year diploma.
This is not a matter of opinion, this is FACT.
Please see the Work Section of Forumosa.com for more detailed information on working legally in Taiwan.
MOD EDIT
I'm not sure what his agenda is. This used to be funny, but now it's just annoying.
Miyazaki, saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make it correct. Clark, Steve, myself and others have a lot of experience in the ESL field in Taiwan. We KNOW what the law is and are only trying to help people. If I had even a 1% doubt in what I was saying, I wouldn't be sharing a view with someone that could potentially change the direction of their lives. That's the thing with this issue: It's NOT a view or an opinion. It's the law and it's fact. You cannot work legally in Taiwan with only a 2 year diploma. |
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markholmes

Joined: 21 Jun 2004 Posts: 661 Location: Wengehua
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 6:59 am Post subject: |
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I have submitted CV's (resumes) to almost every job postin on Ajarn but have not received any response...does this mean that schools prefer dealing with teachers presently in Taiwan? |
I assume that was an error, Ajarn is the website for English teachers in Thailand, not Taiwan. |
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linvestor
Joined: 17 Mar 2006 Posts: 11
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Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 7:02 am Post subject: |
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Yes Mark you are right and I stand corrected. Silly me. My wife is exploring the possibilities of teaching in Thailand. |
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