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kepotts
Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 29 Location: Ganzhou, Jiangxi
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:09 am Post subject: Good Place to Work; Gannan Normal University |
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Due to the lack of positive posts, I felt it my duty to write about my university. I am a 1st time ESL teacher in China, and for a 1st job I could not ask for a frienlier or more cooperative place to work. Gannan Normal University is in Ganzhou, Jiangxi province, which is kind of a small town, not for you if you want to "stay Western", but a nice place to immerse yourself in the Chinese way of things. The school has lived up to everything they have promised to do and more. So far so good. I think they are always looking for more foreign teachers as well, so let me know if you have any questions!! I hope everyone else is having a good year so far also. |
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SnoopBot
Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 740 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 3:47 am Post subject: |
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Sorry, I don't wish to be coy or rude but your posting sounds like it was written in Chinglish. Maybe you were tired when posting, sometimes I do this too.
I am mentioning this because many of us FT's are suspicious of stellar reports in this industry. We view everything with high suspicion due to the high level of scams most of us have experienced. When we see positive reports we tend to try to "read between the words."
Are you a non-native speaker by chance? If so, we will not come to the conclusion some Chinese teacher aid was instructed to post a positive report here on Dave's.
I apologize if I am wrong in my assumption. |
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AussieGuyInChina
Joined: 23 Nov 2006 Posts: 403
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:01 am Post subject: |
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your posting sounds like it was written in Chinglish..............are you a non-native speaker by chance? |
Snoopbot
I'm not going to denigrate your message, but I will challenge you to put your money where you mouth is. I'll bet you RMB 1,000 that kepotts (whom I have never met, know nothing about and have never heard of prior to today) is a native speaker of English.
Are you up to the challenge? |
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TingBuDong
Joined: 02 Jun 2006 Posts: 27 Location: Zhangye, Gansu, China
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:38 am Post subject: |
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Nothing wrong with sharing positive experiences. I'm in my second year at a school I've been quite happy with (Hexi University in Zhangye, Gansu province). It's small and remote with a low salary, but I'm here to immerse myself in China and learn the language so I'm quite happy with it. |
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kepotts
Joined: 17 Apr 2007 Posts: 29 Location: Ganzhou, Jiangxi
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:10 am Post subject: |
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That's fine Snoopbot if you think I am not a native English speaker, I was prepared for some doubts being posted. I am actually from St. Louis, MO and have only been in China about 2 months. I am by no means Chinese. My main goal was to share about my positive teaching experiences. I hope somebody takes some good from it. |
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Teatime of Soul
Joined: 12 Apr 2007 Posts: 905
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 8:17 am Post subject: |
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kepotts: Thanks for your contribution.
As previously pointed out, positive posts are often looked at with great scrutiny and suspicion. That's due to "planted" school reviews.
Here are some tips for getting higher credibility and acceptance of positive reviews:
1. Have a credible post count. When someone posts about their wonderful two years at a school, on their first post, it raises eyebrows.
2. Get past the 90 day honeymoon period. Wait to see how your school handles your first big "misunderstanding" about holiday pay, etc. before making a judgment.
Thanks again and don't be a stranger. |
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SnoopBot
Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 740 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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Teatime of Soul wrote: |
kepotts: Thanks for your contribution.
As previously pointed out, positive posts are often looked at with great scrutiny and suspicion. That's due to "planted" school reviews.
Here are some tips for getting higher credibility and acceptance of positive reviews:
1. Have a credible post count. When someone posts about their wonderful two years at a school, on their first post, it raises eyebrows.
2. Get past the 90 day honeymoon period. Wait to see how your school handles your first big "misunderstanding" about holiday pay, etc. before making a judgment.
Thanks again and don't be a stranger. |
Yes the low number of postings and the short, choppy posting style is the same I've seen from Chinese admin plants. So I wanted to be fair and give the OP a chance to clarify.
Since I was the first responder to his posting, I got this out of the way very early in the thread.
I'm sorry to be suspicious, but I've seen too many of these in the past.
AussieGuy, I will not place any bets, I asked the OP in a respectful way and got an answer back. The purpose was to clarify suspicions early in the thread. I figured if I never got a response back it was a fishing attempt (Drop a positive report and never come back)
You can keep your bet money and go buy a case of Emu greens or Swan Blacks and a Darwin Stubby holder. |
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AussieGuyInChina
Joined: 23 Nov 2006 Posts: 403
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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Snoopbot
I think that telling a native speaker of English that his / her writing reads like Chinglish is fundamentally disrespectful, regardless of how much sugar-coating is employed.
And the fact that you thought kepott's message was possibly written by a non-native user of English, regardless of your perception that it was written in a "short, choppy posting style", raises the question of your knowledge of English.
Telling it like I see it, Snoopbot. By all means, feel free to respond, but no further comment from me. |
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SnoopBot
Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 740 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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AussieGuyInChina wrote: |
Snoopbot
I think that telling a native speaker of English that his / her writing reads like Chinglish is fundamentally disrespectful, regardless of how much sugar-coating is employed.
And the fact that you thought kepott's message was possibly written by a non-native user of English, regardless of your perception that it was written in a "short, choppy posting style", raises the question of your knowledge of English.
Telling it like I see it, Snoopbot. By all means, feel free to respond, but no further comment from me. |
I guess the same way I was just "telling it like how I saw it."
Eh, mate... |
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SnoopBot
Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 740 Location: USA
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Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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kepotts wrote: |
That's fine Snoopbot if you think I am not a native English speaker, I was prepared for some doubts being posted. I am actually from St. Louis, MO and have only been in China about 2 months. I am by no means Chinese. My main goal was to share about my positive teaching experiences. I hope somebody takes some good from it. |
I am a big enough man to apologize to you for my skeptic nature with your posting. Let me clarify my response to your original OP here:
Often imposter's from blacklisted schools will leave good reports on ESL sites if they find out they have a few bad reports.
Usually they have these common traits:
1. Low posting volumes
2. Very quick (I used the word Choppy) reports on a positive experience but never go into great detail about their experiences. Usually, they are quick damage control posts that do not elaborate much on the positive experiences from a FT viewpoint. Of course a person doing a quick posting would do this too.
3. Never respond to other postings after the original OP. Sometimes a post is dropped and the OP never responds. Trolls do this to report either negative or positive experiences. Often other posters respond but the OP is already gone. However, you did respond.
I don't want you to get a negative view of the posters (like myself) here on Dave's ESL. Sometimes we are skeptical because of the amount of fraud we see in this industry at many levels.
If you don't mind, please go into better details about the positives you experienced at your school. This will allow future potential job-seekers to use your post as a reference, should they decide future employment at that institution.
I welcome your positive experiences and input here, we already have enough bad ones in here to read.
Sincerely,
SnoopBot |
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Worldly

Joined: 04 Dec 2006 Posts: 74 Location: The Cosmos
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:56 pm Post subject: |
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SnoopBot wrote: |
I am a big enough man to apologize to you for my skeptic nature with your posting.
Often, imposters from blacklisted schools will leave good reports on ESL sites if they find out they have a few bad reports. |
Snoopbot's willingness to publicly apologize speaks volumes about his character and credibility.
From previous posts, I also respect his experience and knowledge on various topics.
For the benefit of this forum, we need more posters of character willing to opine and be skeptical, if necessary, about job-related topics.
Thanks, Snoopbot, for your input. |
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SnoopBot
Joined: 21 Jun 2007 Posts: 740 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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Worldly wrote: |
SnoopBot wrote: |
I am a big enough man to apologize to you for my skeptic nature with your posting.
Often, imposters from blacklisted schools will leave good reports on ESL sites if they find out they have a few bad reports. |
Snoopbot's willingness to publicly apologize speaks volumes about his character and credibility.
From previous posts, I also respect his experience and knowledge on various topics.
For the benefit of this forum, we need more posters of character willing to opine and be skeptical, if necessary, about job-related topics.
Thanks, Snoopbot, for your input. |
Xie Xie
I hope I didn't scare him off, or other posters that are new to Dave's.
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clark.w.griswald
Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 2056
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:30 am Post subject: |
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SnoopBot wrote: |
Often imposter's from blacklisted schools will leave good reports on ESL sites if they find out they have a few bad reports. |
I don't agree with the frequency that you suggest here. Does it happen? Yes. But I would suggest that it happens rarely not often, and in almost all such cases it is pretty clear to everyone (except for perhaps the individual who posted it) that it is not a legit report.
If we start second guessing reviews - positive or negative - then I am pretty sure that people will stop posting reviews.
Isn't it better that we accept the review for what it is and then challenge the content of the review if we think that there are legitimate problems, rather than throw a broad net of suggestion over the motives of the person who posted?
SnoopBot wrote: |
Usually they have these common traits:
1. Low posting volumes
2. Very quick (I used the word Choppy) reports on a positive experience but never go into great detail about their experiences. Usually, they are quick damage control posts that do not elaborate much on the positive experiences from a FT viewpoint. Of course a person doing a quick posting would do this too.
3. Never respond to other postings after the original OP. Sometimes a post is dropped and the OP never responds. Trolls do this to report either negative or positive experiences. Often other posters respond but the OP is already gone. However, you did respond. |
The same is true of people who post negative reports. I think that we more often see complaints along the lines of 'School X sucks. Don't work there!' with no previous postings and no follow up postings.
SnoopBot wrote: |
If you don't mind, please go into better details about the positives you experienced at your school. This will allow future potential job-seekers to use your post as a reference, should they decide future employment at that institution. |
Agreed 100%. No matter whether the post is for or against a school, the more information provided the better for everyone. I am all for more information if the OP can provide that which in the case of a positive review he/she should be able to. I understand that in some cases of a negative review this can be more difficult if one wants to protect his/her identity. |
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vikuk

Joined: 23 May 2007 Posts: 1842
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:20 am Post subject: |
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What are the wages at this place like - is this just another out of the way 4000/month location that would well suit the FT pensioner club (the famous granny/grandpa gang who like the teenage homestay group are so much in demand because of the cheap price and timid behavior patterns. You can identify their posts when they spout their motto - "the money doesn't matter") - or is it the kind of position that really means EFL career and serious employers for serious teachers???? |
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AussieGuyInChina
Joined: 23 Nov 2006 Posts: 403
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:05 am Post subject: |
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or is it the kind of position that really means EFL career and serious employers for serious teachers???? |
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I am a 1st time ESL teacher in China, and for a 1st job |
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