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johnslat



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:07 am    Post subject: OBAMA PROJECTED WINNER Reply with quote

The subject heading says it all. HOOOOOOOORAAAAAAAAAAAY
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Mark100



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eight years of misery and thankfully there is now light at the end of the tunnel.

Congratulations to Obama who is now president elect.


Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, we... did!!

What relief when Pennsylvania and New Hampshire started the landslide...

What a burden President-elect Obama has taken on...

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:36 am    Post subject: Of Politics & Off Topics Reply with quote

Gentlemen,
We know by now an off topic is just that, it has nothing to do with Saudi Arabia.

In a similiar vein, we know the usual off limits public discussions in Saudi Arabia are: Politics, Religion, and Alcohol.

Remember one thing: It is life here in the Great Sand Box you have to be concerned with, leave the rest for vacation time.
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007



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, Uncle Sam is heart broken now! Laughing
Let's wait and see!
Are we going to see a real change in Ameerika or just a change of roles?
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shadowfax



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congratulations.

We hope that the painful experiences of the Bush years can be learnt from by various sides: USA, UK, KSA, Islamic lands, non-Islamic lands, generally.

If one pretends everything that happened was the fault of the Republicans, I fear history will incline to repeat itself.

I think Obama will need to magnify the curtailment of tax laxity beyond the present conservative projections. Surely earners of more than 60k net dollars can contribute more to a cautious levelling operation. Otherwise, their gold will but burn through their money sacks.

Furthermore, if the ludicrous growth of global population is not decelerated through the united efforts of religious and political leaders, a worldful of Obamas and Bandars will not stand much chance. Droughts, famines, tsunamis, decline in the quality of life for the vast majority, and wars seem likely outcomes. The battle for spheres of influence by the grand pietists will shew forth the fruit of their diabolic pride and hypocrisy in a harvest of human suffering and misery.

Long live the President, if so he worketh the people good. Smile There is a small ray of hope.

Brasscat: I think the putative proscription on the subjects you mention has more to do with those who initiate arrogancy, bad manners, one-sided thinking, and bigotry, rather than with a rigid proscription. What happens in American elections can indeed be on-topic with regard to ramifications in KSA. But I take your point if it were to become an over-prominent and continuous debate. I believe that is unlikely.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I won't say anything for fear of being considered a 'party pooper'. Not that that's stopped me in the past...
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As McCain appeared to be mentally unstable, it's probably safest that Obama wins.

Still he will undo much of the good Bush has done; until Bush a lot of people believed that American foreign policy was basically altruistic and benevolent. Bush performed the priceless job of making the true nature of American foreign policy clear and ensured that America was viewed as a rogue state by most of the civilized world.

Obama, like Kennedy, will continue the same foreign policy that has run from Truman to Bush, but will put a humanitarian gloss on it, that will fool many into supporting it.
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Cleopatra



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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until Bush a lot of people believed that American foreign policy was basically altruistic and benevolent.


Those of us lucky enough to inhabit parts of the world not directly touched by America's often ruinous economic and foreign policy might have been able to afford the luxury of naivete.

However, those living in other parts of the world - including this one - have always known better.
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007



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stephen Jones wrote:
Obama, like Kennedy, will continue the same foreign policy that has run from Truman to Bush, but will put a humanitarian gloss on it, that will fool many into supporting it.

Well, as far as the problem of Palestine is concerned, Obama did not come with anything new. He is following the same political path of Uncle Sam, and in one of his speech in front of Aipa, he said that the security of Israel is non-negotiable, and Jerusalem should be the united capital of Israel! Of course, his statement is un-acceptable by any wise observer of the ME crisis.
Obama did what he thought was necessary to get the post of the presidency!
And the price paid by Obama is to abandon any foreign policy that diverges from those of the pro-Israel, and anti-Palestinian lobby in the American society.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any politician who said that they wanted to make any big changes in US Middle East policy - other than ending the Iraq war - wouldn't be elected. I have long given up seeing any change in US/Israel policy. As a realist, I voted for the man that I felt would be best for America... and who doesn't think that every foreign policy problem should be solved by invasion or bombing (if the country has oil or gas that is)

If Obama thought this was a tough election, his problems have just begun. But, I am slightly more optimistic. There are difficult times ahead for all of us.

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johnslat



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, I'm all for skepticism. Although I'm prejudiced, I consider myself in the upper ranks in that department. However, geezer and skeptic though I may be, I do allow myself the luxury of hope.
I will always eschew cynicism. So often, it's the protective armor many assume in order to forestall eventual disappointment. Perhaps guarded optimism is also only an illusion, but, given the choice, I'll take it over distrustful pessimism.
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Stephen Jones



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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However, those living in other parts of the world - including this one - have always known better.
America was generally considered friendly to Arab Nations until the 70s. It was Nixon who initiated the change in Middle-Eastern policy. Truman vacilated over recognizing, whereas Stalin jumped straight in, and in the Suez crisis in 1956 Eisenhower jumped in and warned the British-French-Israeli alliance to back off.
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desert_traveller



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well this is how i see it

the campaign to a presidential election is like an advert for an item

the president elect is the advert only and not the thing itself

people decided that they liked the advert of obama better than the other bloke's

what the actual product that you pay for is going to be like remains to be seen as for now

i am not particularly affected by the vicotry of obama but im telling you this. lot of people who enthusiastically supported obama the person will become his most ardent critics within a year when they have realized that the individual is gone and replacing him there is the politician there, controlled by ... what? M O N E Y !!!
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shadowfax



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's my fear, traveller. Perhaps I should have said a chink of hope rather than a ray derives from Obama's election. I never heard of a successful lawyer without a well-established Mammon syndrome. And a million dollarsworth of charitable donations amounts not to the value of a widow's mite. The grandiose claims to altruism must inevitably be the gloss on a grossly unbalanced distribution of wealth. Politics is rarely anything more than avoiding the worst of two very great evils.

Advertising is one of the most loathesome occupations. Rolling Eyes I nearly said profession, but in most cases that is a terrible misnomer.

Yes, there are some good advertisements for some good products; but the majority seem to prey on human vanity, animality and greed.

One of my worst is the TV ads for Qatar Airways. Different forms of weather are compared with the sumptuous 5 star sugar and cholesterol nutriments on board. But it is the seriously unfunny and repetitive humour that really infuriates. Things like: this afternoon there will be a hailstorm of the world's most exquisite vol-au-vents over Tokyo, subsiding later into a shower of chilled vintage champagne. Criminally vacuous and absurdly unamusing.


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