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gringojoe



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:26 pm    Post subject: Ageism? Reply with quote

Was on another teacher's forum based in Asia and read that if you are over the age of 35 you might as well forget about teaching in Mexico!
Thought I'd better come on over to this forum and check with the expats who are actually in the country.
Is there any truth to what I've read or not?
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MO39



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No need to rely on inaccurate statements from teachers in Asia! While there are a few schools (possibly not the best ones) which have upper age limits for hiring teachers, this is not generally the case in Mexico, at least not in Mexico City. For example, as someone in her early 60s, I haven't experienced any ageism while looking for work.
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notamiss



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In short, no. There are several members of this forum who are considerably older than 35 and doing well in Mexico.

What you heard may be based on the fact that in general, Mexican job ads are allowed de facto (if not de jure) to specify age, marital status and/or sex, and the occasional school does so.
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El Gallo



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Age can be a problem for school owners who provide health insurance.

Policies for those over 55 are very expensive so owners avoid these older teachers.

Some schools, like Interlink in Tuxtla, are just snobby and like their image of having only young teachers.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

El Gallo wrote:
Age can be a problem for school owners who provide health insurance.

Policies for those over 55 are very expensive so owners avoid these older teachers.

Some schools, like Interlink in Tuxtla, are just snobby and like their image of having only young teachers.


I can understand the point about health insurance being very high for older teachers, but how many schools actually provide health insurance for their staff?

Re the snobby school in Tuxtla, why is having young teachers seen as adding something positive to its image?
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ls650



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

United English advertise regularly that they only want teachers under a certain age; 35, I think.

Most schools in Mexico do not exhibit such prejudice, and a good teacher who happens to be older will not have any difficulties finding work.
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hardly need to add to what has already been said, but I will add another no! Any school that has that policy is not worth working for. I was 39 when I first started looking for jobs. (Now 45).
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Guy Courchesne



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No way. Have never seen anything of ageism in Mexico, across the country in my work. Notamiss's point about discriminatory job ads is correct, but that seems more local than for foreign teachers.
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MO39



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil_K wrote:
I hardly need to add to what has already been said, but I will add another no! Any school that has that policy is not worth working for.


That's a good point, Phil.
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MELEE



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Heck 35 year olds are spring chickens, right?
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Prof.Gringo



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MO39 wrote:
El Gallo wrote:
Age can be a problem for school owners who provide health insurance.

Policies for those over 55 are very expensive so owners avoid these older teachers.

Some schools, like Interlink in Tuxtla, are just snobby and like their image of having only young teachers.


I can understand the point about health insurance being very high for older teachers, but how many schools actually provide health insurance for their staff?

Re the snobby school in Tuxtla, why is having young teachers seen as adding something positive to its image?


It could be the idea that younger people are more energetic and enthusiastic. Maybe also less "set" in their ways. Now before I get a firestorm of responses, I am NOT advocating these viewpoints, just throwing them out there.

Another perspective to consider: People under 25 are often seen as irresponsible, prone to party too much, have a general lack of responsibility and be unfocused. What about those over 55? Perhaps the following: Close to retirement, looking to just get by til they can retire, the kids are gone and the house paid for so I don't have to work as hard anymore, tired, "stuck" in the past, etc.

While those 25 to 45 would be perceived to be more responsible, have a spouse, kids, car and house payments, experienced yet flexible. Career motivated and in the "prime" of life.

Once again, I don't actually agree with all of those statements, just some ideas on how age can be perceived, in Mexico or another place.

I don't think that an ESL teacher would have any major problems finding work due to age. Most of the schools which have age requirements are crappy chain language schools which most people only work at as a first job at the most.

Besides, the good money that's here to be had is in schools teaching kids and I've seen everybody from 22 to well over 60 teaching in the schools I've been in.
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MELEE wrote:
Heck 35 year olds are spring chickens, right?


...and 45 year olds (well, this one at least!)
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MO39



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What kind of chicken are you after spring is long past...? Smile
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Phil_K



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PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MO39 wrote:
What kind of chicken are you after spring is long past...? Smile


A fall guy (or gal)? (Groan)
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gringojoe



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PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the replies. I guess I need not worry as I'm only 45 but thought I'd better find out before I decide to make the move south of the border!
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