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[bmoore]

Is there anybody that can explain the EF oranization without ranting and raving about how bad and horriable they are? (some of us are just tring to get our feet in the door)

I have some course work done but no degree yet and no teaching cert, although I do plan on getting the cert after I start work there (IF it ever happands) so it seems that EF is my only shot for working in Indoneisa. Am I right

I'm not sure of how the hiring process works, Is it someone at the school that hires you or is there HQ somewhere? any help would be great.

More important, I'm looking for any and all contact numbers / e-mails
for open jobs.

[father Mackenzie]

I think it is fair to say that there are those that have enjoyed working with EF in Indonesia and those that have not. This site does allow both sides to come forward and give views and opinions about EF both positive and negative.
EF Indonesia is a huge operation and has many schools all of which are franchised and so there are, sadly, different standards applied to all schools and teachers.
I work for one, historically more loathed EF group of schools and this group has taken a bashing in the past but I feel it has changed and continues to do for the better of the student and the teacher. I can say that as I am in the middle of renewing my contract for a further year with them.
If you want to look for work with EF then try

www.efjakarta.com/
www.englishfirst.co.id/

and follow the links on the website.

If you want to PM me for other details then please feel free.

[bmoore]

Thanks I'll be sure to check them out.

[Zorobabel]

EF is not so bad, and it would probably be perfect for someone in your position. If you want to get a job there, check out some of the ads here at Dave's or perhaps TEFL.com.

I know that EF Swara group, and probably other big franchises, has an HR Director who does the hiring to fill the various vacancies at their "schools" around Jakarta. If you want to work at a specific location, simply mention that in your cover letter and they will accommodate you if at all possible. On the other hand, for the smaller or individual-school franchises, it will be the school that hires you directly.

[bmoore]

Thanks, thats very helpful to know

Other people need to take notes from you on how to respond to questions.
thanks agian

[Oreally]

Humh��.. here is a direct response in the context of your post. EF in General, and EF Swara in particular, is not interested in the best teachers they can get, but the cheapest ( not to be confused with least expensive) . I know people they have hired with no teaching certificate, no Uni and hardly any high school. They just need a warm body to follow the book and entertain the students. There is little to no teacher development available. The remuneration is in accordance. If you really want the job and do not need to be hooked up to a ventilator, MOD EDIT, then the job is yours. But really, try and aim higher. If you are posting here, you have enough intellectual capability to do so.

[bmoore]

Point taken

[ljb]

Hi

I would like to add an up to date perspective on EF.

As someone who works for the Swara group I can say that there are plenty of opportunities for personal and professional development. Workshops are a regular part of the working month, needs analysis for training and development are linked into yearly plans that change with the needs of the teachers in mind. Workshops designed to meet the specific needs of the whole group are offered, work programmes and performance appraisals form part of the development structure and individual training needs are also met where feasible.

Training and development is an important part of any role and this is seen as a fundamental part of EF Swara, it is developing more and more over the years as any organisation does.

The transient nature of ESL has a huge impact on training and development and how an organisation goes about meeting these needs is of course dependent on the management and DoS but I personally feel that EF Swara is going a long way to try and meet the needs of its teachers.

EF also has access to training from its Head Office which is also used at EF Swara to ensure a holistic approach to training and development.

Maybe when you have interviews with EF schools ask the question about training and see what comes back, I am sure that no school wants you to fail.

Good luck