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USAMATHMAN



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:21 am    Post subject: Advice for math teacher thinking of switching to ESL Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to say that the best choice would be to stay in math rather than EFL. Certainly there are many more EFL openings than math. But...

You say that you have a US teaching cert/license. Did you try any of the major international schools? I would keep my eyes on the websites of places like AUS, HCT, AU, UAEU... even SQU in Oman. How about AUC in Cairo? All of them should start posting next years openings. (or the year after you are done in Korea perhaps?) Will you be teaching math in Korea? You might also run into other jobs there... or tutoring?

One thing confuses me... won't getting an MA in TEFL just add a bunch more money to your education loans? I don't see switching fields being all that helpful... at either getting good jobs or paying off the debt.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any obsequious liberal who speaks English can fool an administrator into thinking he can teach it well. In spite of the fact that there are quickie certification courses in ESL, to be any good at it you really have to do an MA in ESL after a BA in English. There are thousands of unqualified ESL teachers with just CELTAs or DELTAs or fly-by-night MAs after a BA in business or something. They do get jobs, but I don't know how they sleep at night.

Do what you really know. Stick to math. You can get a high-paying job teaching high school math in the UAE with Teach Away. I wish I were in your shoes. You can't fake math.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:45 am    Post subject: Re: Advice for math teacher thinking of switching to ESL Reply with quote

Mis-post! My sincere apologies to those who insist that they don't exist...

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 3:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hadn't thought of Teachaway... didn't know that they were hiring for Math. Definitely look into that one USAmathman...

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adorabilly



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 4:04 am    Post subject: Re: Advice for math teacher thinking of switching to ESL Reply with quote

USAMATHMAN wrote:
Hello all,
Any advice would be great! Thanks and hope i did not repeat another thread. Very Happy [/i]


why do you want to switch to ESL? Is it just for the money, or are you intrested in actaully teaching english?

With your qualifications you might be able to get into the Bachelors of education department with HCT and they are looking for people with MAs in Curriculum and instruction right now.

www.hct.ac.ae and go to their employment board. They are looking for education faculty with curriculum and instruction backgrounds. With a valid teaching license you should be able to qualify for those positions.

If it is about the money stick with what you have already and see if you can get a content position in the UAE (those pay better than ESL positions) but if you are really after teaching english then go whole hog and get the MA in applied linguistics. Of course if you are contemplating getting another masters, make it a masters in mathematics or an MBA and then come and teach content based positions.
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USAMATHMAN



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 6:23 am    Post subject: Math vs ESL Reply with quote

Thanks for the advice everyone. I really have no desire to teach ESL. Just interested in living in UAE and getting opportunity to teach and make good salary.

I did apply with HCT a few months ago and was given a verbal offer to teach mathematics. However, received an email from a higher level administrator saying that offer had been dropped and I was no longer being considered. No reason given. Surprised So, I am not sure if it would be profitable to apply again next year. What do you think?

I am 100% sure I would like to teach mathematics, but if an ESL opportunity arises I would be more than happy to take it.

I definitely don't want to get any more student loans.

Lots to think about. I also contemplated the idea of getting another MA in Mathematics and applying for a math content position at another university.

Thanks again. Information was very helpful.
Very Happy

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scot47



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can almost certainly get a Math Teaching job in one of the international schools in UAE or the Gulf. For Saudi Arabia there are lots of opportunities for those who are qualified as teachers in US or UK.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd look into some of the petroleum companies as well. They need Math Instructors in their training programs abroad. Even better, look into the Department of Defense Schools. Its a civil service (GS) job with all the perks of being in the military abroad without actually being in the military.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 08, 2010 2:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear misterkodak,

If USAMATHMAN is soon off to South Korea and is interested in the DoD schools, this may be relevant:

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