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silkbomber
Joined: 05 Jan 2010
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 Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 6:09 am Post subject: Getting a job with no degree, no experiece but with TESOL |
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Hello all,
I hope this is an appropriate thing (and place) to post.
I am looking for a job in a specific city, and I have applied for several jobs online, but most have replied I need a degree for them to be able to get me the appropiate visa. I skipped going to uni, because I was offered a very well paying job as a purchasing officer to China. I am know wishing to, while i'm young enough and don't have kids, to live in China again.
What advice can you guys give me in getting a job with these credentials?
I have seen many online recruiters who claim to garuantee jobs, are these safe to use?
Thanks for any advice you could offer,
Regards
Silk. |
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ttorriel
Joined: 13 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:07 am Post subject: |
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Please obtain the proper education and experience as required by law  |
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hankemhigh
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| Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| What law? |
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Jayray
Joined: 28 Feb 2009
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Location: Back East
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| Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:45 am Post subject: |
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Keep trying. Subscribe to as many ESL forums as possible. Every week I see a few job listings which require little-to-no post secondary education.
I worked with two yo-yo's recently who had no post secondary school education whatsoever.
You really SHOULD get a degree of some sort, one that includes training in the English language. You owe it to yourself and to the students. College is a serious matter. Would you want to be taught Chinese by a Chinese fisherman or a Chinese WalMart employee? |
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silkbomber
Joined: 05 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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Is it purely a visa issue that this is a requirement?
If i was to obtain a D visa for example, therefore meaning the schools didn't have to organise the visa would that give me more chance.
And to Jay Ray, I find that self righteous attitude of yours interesting.
Are you telling me that I really should have spent 3 years spending more of my time going to parties getting drunk and occasionally studying while doing a very easy art degree? Would that really have more benefit then travelling learning and doing business in several different countries?
And I would be happy to be taught by a chinese fisherman. I rate people on the quality of life skills and experience a person has, not how long he spent in school.
Forgive my rant, I guess it's just me feeling bitter, because this is probably the easiest job I have applied for, and yet it's proving to be the hardest to get. 
Last edited by silkbomber on Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:42 am; edited 1 time in total |
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mike w
Joined: 26 May 2004
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Location: Beijing building site
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:23 am Post subject: |
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No such animal. The use of D visas (which was for people married to Chinese) was effectively discontinued about 8 or 10 years ago.
I know a couple of Chinese embassy/consulate websites that still give details about the D visa, even though its use has been discontinued. You would need an 'L' visa. (Teaching/working on a an 'L' visa, although fairly commonplace is illegal).
In some provinces, in order to be teaching legally, it is a requirement that you have a degree, and in some cases 2 years teaching experience as well.
Without these, you would not be able to get your Foreign Experts Certificate or Residents Permit. This would leave you very vulnerable to the often talked about abuse of FT's.
Incidentally, stay away from recruiters. Just remember, they need you more than you need them. There are many instances on this forum of FT's been ripped off and cheated by recruiters. Contact schools / colleges / universities directly, although with your lack of qualification and experience I am pretty sure the university route will be be closed to you.
You will be able to find a job teaching, I am sure, but your lack of qualification and experience will severely limit your options to low end jobs with low end salaries, and probably low end accommodation. |
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silkbomber
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:41 am Post subject: |
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Is it possible to work off an X visa? I want to study Mandarin anyway, prehaps I would be better off doing this at a university and teaching part time.
Would a Diploma in Tesol rather then just a cerficate in Tesol but sufficient to gain a better chance of employment?
Apart from breaking even, money isn't an issue. I have saved up plenty over the last 7 years to allow my self basically a year of no income.
Once company has mentioned they could give me a job, but said to come over on a L visa then change to a Z visa once there. They stated many have done this in the past, but I worry about the legitimacy of this claim. As far I know, you can only get a Z visa from you own country.
If I was required to return to Australia, and then go back again, it would prove cheaper to apply for study at a university and get an X visa. |
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mike w
Joined: 26 May 2004
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| Is it possible to work off an X visa? |
There are some people who will do private teaching while studying on an 'X' visa, although by the letter of the law, it is illegal.
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| Once company has mentioned they could give me a job, but said to come over on a L visa then change to a Z visa once there. They stated many have done this in the past, but I worry about the legitimacy of this claim. |
I too would worry about this claim. It is not unknown for this to happen, but I would say that it risky and definitely not the norm.
To be honest, without a degree and teaching experience, I don't think the question of Diploma or certificate would make any difference. |
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Jayray
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| Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:21 am Post subject: |
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| silkbomber wrote: |
And to Jay Ray, I find that self righteous attitude of yours interesting.
Are you telling me that I really should have spent 3 years spending more of my time going to parties getting drunk and occasionally studying while doing a very easy art degree? Would that really have more benefit then travelling learning and doing business in several different countries?
And I would be happy to be taught by a chinese fisherman. I rate people on the quality of life skills and experience a person has, not how long he spent in school.
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I am being realistic, not self-righteous.
Sharing your personal experiences may enrich many people's lives, but without a formal education (i.e., a degree from an accredited college or university), your options are limited, and the number of people who will rate (or even accept) you as a teacher solely on the quality of your life skills and experience without a formal education are few. In addition, it's always a good idea to get a formal education in the area in which one claims expertise.
The fact that you believe teaching to be the easiest job for which you've ever applied but have never obtained might be a good indication that something is missing.
I think that those who actually attended college and fulfilled the requirements of a college degree might disagree with your perception of what college is about and what serious college students do in order to fulfill the requirements of a college degree. |
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