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dynow



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 2:29 pm    Post subject: Natives teaching fluent English speakers English Reply with quote

I'm currently doing language exchange, English/Polish, and I need material for fluent, but non-native English speakers.

they want phrasal verbs more than anything else, but aside from reading random articles on the internet for hours writing words down, i don't have a good idea of how to devise lists of them, every week, week after week, without wasting too much time spinning my wheels online.

i would appreciate any links you all might have on really super hard material for really advanced English speakers, concentrating on phrasals and idioms.

i generally put together enough material every week to fill an hour or so with them, but i'm trying to get a little more organized with it and put together some good sources......even websites that use a lot of informal language would be helpful.

sometimes i just waste too much time searching and not finding what i need.
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justflyingin



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a lot of really quite advanced stuff in the CAE book. Have you tried that yet?
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dynow



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i teach CAE, CPE as well, those books aren't appropriate for what i'm looking for. they know the grammar because they're already English teachers. i gotta give them something they can't read in those books. colloquial stuff, phrasals, idioms, etc.
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TwinCentre



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do GMAT with them, that is as advanced as you are going to get. (Considerably above CPE level)

The Kaplan GMAT book is a good one.
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scottie1113



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a couple of good books you can use. One about phrasal verbs, one about idioms. I'll send you titles and authors tomorrow.
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scottie1113



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IDIOMS ORGANIZER, by John Wright.

I couldn't find the book on phrasal verbs in the teachers room today, but it's either called Phrasal Verbs or English Phrasal Verbs. I'll look again tomorrow.
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dynow



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks dude!
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Kootvela



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

English Phrasal Verbs in Use or/and English Idioms in Use by Oxford Univeristy Press.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both good.
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silesia



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2010 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just be careful that the idioms you teach are not old-fashioned.For example many Polish students are keen to tell you "Teacher.It's raining cats and dogs outside!"I dont know when I last heard that idiom used in the UK!
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scottie1113



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or in the US. My good old boy country friends say "it's raining like a cow pi$$ing on a flat rock".
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nickpellatt



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PostPosted: Thu May 06, 2010 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Google 'Guardian Weekly'. They have lesson material available as long as you sign up to the website...its free and just requires an email address and password. I often use their advanced level worksheets, just print and teach. They do not focus on phrasal verbs or idioms, but often include some 'in context' as they use genuine newspaper articles as source material.

This is a far better resource than just picking out phrasal verbs from books IMO. Anyway, its a free resource, if it isnt what you're looking for now...it might serve some purpose another time Laughing
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Blasphemer



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PostPosted: Mon May 10, 2010 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been using this one

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Phrasal-Verb-Organiser-Verbs-Orgniser/dp/0906717620
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Bogey



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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

silesia wrote:
Just be careful that the idioms you teach are not old-fashioned.For example many Polish students are keen to tell you "Teacher.It's raining cats and dogs outside!"I dont know when I last heard that idiom used in the UK!


idiomatic and slang based stuff can be difficult because it's ever fluid and changing. However, raining cats and dogs would still be completely understood by anyone, even if it's not used all that often these days. Personally I don't find that expression THAT outdated.

If it's something they pick up from a book, you can simply/gently explain that this is rarely used in everyday speech anymore.

I always have a field day with certain Britishisms that sometimes appear in material that no American/Canadian would ever utter, though they'd clearly understand (but that's another discussion entirely).

OP - why not try using some articles from superbly written media written for an intelligence audience, such as the Economist (their occasional Britishisms aside, there's no better written magazine in the world today. Also, they would probably find the reading quite interesting)
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