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basiltherat
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 Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:38 am Post subject: knowledge comes with experience |
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couldn't resist posting this in case anyone missed it.
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| Male Teachers Needed to Work in Saudi Arabia to Teach Adult Men |
the title of a job vacancy on the web. i just love the 'adult men' bit.
the author has clearly realized that in that region, and its immediate environs, not very many 'men' are 'adult'
excellent.
best
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:22 pm Post subject: |
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I wonder how they are defining "adult" - is it by age? is there a "maturity" test? 
Will the male teachers have to take the same test?
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Big Poppa Pump
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| Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm guessing it will come down to a coin toss. |
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007
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| Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
I wonder how they are defining "adult" - is it by age? is there a "maturity" test?
Will the male teachers have to take the same test?
VS |
Well, VS, believe it or not, in this region of the world, a man who is not circumcised is not an 'adult man' in addition to other characteristics like responsibility, maturity, and sound mind.
Well, if the male teacher is not a Muslim, then the definition of 'adulthood' is different! 
So, I guess the title of the job advert is correct, at least from their point of view. |
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lazycomputerkids
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Location: Tabuk
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| Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| So, I guess the title of the job advert is correct, at least from their point of view. |
that's a s t r e t c h
Circumcision as the basis of a social linguistic parse?
The phrase adult men is simply redundant. What are you defending, 007? The ad? Or are you deflecting derision of it? The ad is poorly written. So what?
The ad clumsily seeks an action for an agent as well.
"Male Teachers Needed to Work in Saudi Arabia to Teach Adult Men"
Teachers needed to work to teach...in Saudi Arabia...male ones for men.
What about:
Male teachers needed for adult males in Saudi Arabia?
In a newspaper, that edit might save you a few dollars a week. |
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johnslat
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| Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:17 pm Post subject: |
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Dear 007,
This gentleman is incorrect, then?
"Walaikum assalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,
I pray this finds you in the best of health and spirits. While circumcision is an incumbent religious duty in Islam, it is not a condition for being a Muslim. Given that, it doesn't affect the validity of his prayer, or your marriage.
[ref: Ibn Abidin, Radd al-Muhtar]
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?id=18758&hd=1&cate0&t=rss
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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| Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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[ref: Ibn Abidin, Radd al-Muhtar]
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?id=18758&hd=1&cate0&t=rss
Regards,
John |
Aye, but the kitty cat is obviously a Shia'a...I mean, why else would he publicly beat himself to a bloody pulp on a daily basis and experience self-gratification in doing so?
Over to you, SnB...
NCTBA |
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007
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| Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| johnslat wrote: |
Dear 007,
This gentleman is incorrect, then?
"Walaikum assalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh,
I pray this finds you in the best of health and spirits. While circumcision is an incumbent religious duty in Islam, it is not a condition for being a Muslim. Given that, it doesn't affect the validity of his prayer, or your marriage.
[ref: Ibn Abidin, Radd al-Muhtar]
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?id=18758&hd=1&cate0&t=rss
Regards,
John |
Well, of course circumcision is not a condition for being a Muslim, circumcision is obligatory for the Muslim male if he is able to do it. If for medical reason, or any other reasons, a Muslim is unable to circumcise, then he does not commit a sin by not doing it. |
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johnslat
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| Posted: Mon Aug 23, 2010 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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Dear 007,
And I assume when he reacher "manhood," he's considered an "adult."
Regards,
John |
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Never Ceased To Be Amazed
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Gentlemen, let's be circumspect in regards to circumcisions...there are ladies about! 
NCTBA (The prude) |
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007
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| Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote: |
Aye, but the kitty cat is obviously a Shia'a...
NCTBA |
Well, I am not a Shia'a, and there is no major difference between Sunni and Shia'a concerning circumcision, some consider it as mandatory, others consider it as a Sunnah.
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Dear 007,
And I assume when he reacher "manhood," he's considered an "adult." |
Well, it depends on how you define "manhood". |
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scot47
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| My experience is that, of the lunatic asylums I have visited, KSA is one of the nicer. |
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Kornan DeKobb
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| Posted: Tue Aug 24, 2010 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, I am not a Shia'a, and there is no major difference between Sunni and Shia'a concerning circumcision, some consider it as mandatory, others consider it as a Sunnah. |
Of course, support for circumcision among Muslims is not universal:
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"In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful!"
That invocation itself is a good argument not to circumcise: what could be less compassionate or merciful than to hold a boy down and cut off his most intimate part?
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The Qur'an does not mention circumcision.
The main reason given for Islamic circumcision is (ritual) cleanliness. Against this it is hard to argue, except to point out that there is no more reason for the male genitalia to be ritually unclean than the female. |
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Circumcision
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For more than thirteen centuries here in the Muslim world there has existed a ritual known as Male and Female Circumcision. Solely a Jewish tradition, the Circumcision ritual...plus many other Jewish traditions...has found a willing host in the post-Mohammadan Muslim world. This man-made invention and innovation...not found in GOD's last scripture, Holy Qur'an...has been a curse on millions of children, both male and female, across the Muslim world.
Every year in Egypt and other Arab countries thousands of female children are mutilated in the name of GOD. Scarred for life, these children experience the most painful oddyssey of their lives, all in the name of GOD. One might ask how could a Merciful GOD advocate such evil and injustice to these children? Could it be that the sin falls in our own hands? Could it be that we are the unjust and we are the demons advocating such cruel and coward injustice towards our children!
To all true scholars of Qur'an the answer is clear. GOD with his infinite grace did not and would not condone such a cruel ritual. This act is not found anywhere in the Qur'an. It is only in such man-made innovations such as "Hadith and Sunnah" that one can find such cruel laws and rituals. It is the authors of these blasphemies that are responsible for these centuries-old crimes done in the name of GOD. All throughout history, laws and rituals have been conjured up and put in place in male-dominated societies only to subjugate women, children, and the weak.
It is only by Worshiping GOD alone and Following Qur'an alone that we can find salvation and purity, both physical and spiritual, for ourselves and all those oppressed in the name of GOD. |
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Isla Guapa
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Now the barbarity of female circumcision is being blamed on the Jews  . I challenge anyone to find it mentioned anywhere in the Torah. |
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Sheikh N Bake
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| Never Ceased To Be Amazed wrote: |
| johnslat wrote: |
[ref: Ibn Abidin, Radd al-Muhtar]
http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?id=18758&hd=1&cate0&t=rss
Regards,
John |
Aye, but the kitty cat is obviously a Shia'a...I mean, why else would he publicly beat himself to a bloody pulp on a daily basis and experience self-gratification in doing so?
Over to you, SnB...
NCTBA |
'Ey? What was he on about? Circumcision? Right. WTF do I know. Except that two out of three women prefer it to Lucky Strike. Remember--LSMFT. |
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