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musaafira
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 Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 6:21 pm Post subject: Anyone at HCT women's colleges? |
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Hi all,
Anyone working at the women's colleges (HCT)? How are things there? I was particularly interested in Al-Ain, Dubai or Abu Dhabi... |
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It's Scary!
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republocrat
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Location: Stuck in Traffic on Airport Road
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Just click on the www button below, musaafira, if you want the unalloyed truth about HCT! |
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helenl
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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| And should you decide to apply to HCT, be aware that YOU don't choose where you wish to work (you can certainly express your preference) HCT CHOOSES where you will be offered a job. |
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alsysgo
Joined: 09 Mar 2012
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:29 am Post subject: HCT |
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Does HCT offer accommodation or a housing allowance? If I decided to leave early, I'd rather not repay the allowance(s) back. Of course, I realize there would be no choice in the matter, but I'd rather pack up and just leave a flat, then have to deal with paybacks (on so many levels-  ). |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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HCT gives accommodation and an allowance for settling in. And of course you will pay it back if you leave early. (it is a contract, after all) If you don't finish the contract, the allowance will be pro-rated and taken from your final pay. You don't really have to deal with it. HCT's procedure are - in Gulf terms - pretty organized. You give your notice as per the contract... leave at the appropriate time... with the pay you have earned to that point.
I presume that you will take the time to read the threads of the current problems at HCT and be ready to deal with them if you choose to take a job with them.
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alsysgo
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 5:49 pm Post subject: HCT |
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| To be honest VS, I simply would leave without notice, especially after reading all the threads. If they provided furnished accommodation it wouldn't be a problem. I could just leave after receiving my salary. Allowances only complicate things. Not a fan of professional courtesy anymore, since it rarely exists in the ME. |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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It would be your last job in the UAE...
I can't imagine taking a job with absconding being the plan.
VS |
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alsysgo
Joined: 09 Mar 2012
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:56 pm Post subject: HCT |
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| I hardly think that is true. Instructors come and go in the ME. That is what this forum is all about. |
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johnslat
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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Dear
It's true - "To avoid the hassle - and the debts - some people choose to do a runner, jumping on a plane with no intention of coming back. But this is hardly a prudent option, nor is it an ethical one. Expatriates who abscond from debts could be blacklisted from re-entering the country for years to come - if not forever. And as soon as you enter an Emirati airport, even in transit, you could end up having problems with the local authorities."
http://www.thenational.ae/featured-content/channel-page/lifestyle/personal-finance/middle-article-list/how-to-leave-the-uae-correctly
The GCC shares debt information, and there IS a "blacklist" for "absconders."
Oh, you MIGHT not get caught, but would you really want to risk it?
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John |
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alsysgo
Joined: 09 Mar 2012
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 7:37 pm Post subject: HCT |
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| Running away from debt? I don't think you have read my post. I originally asked if HCT offered accommodation OR allowance (s). Reason being, if the situation became intolerable, I would do a runner. If they offered an allowance for housing, then it would have posed a problem, because I would have to deal with all the paperwork and repayment. Please don't make me out to be a thief. I have never absconded from anything. |
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johnslat
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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Dear alsysgo
"HCT gives accommodation and an allowance for settling in. And of course you will pay it back if you leave early. (it is a contract, after all) If you don't finish the contract, the allowance will be pro-rated and taken from your final pay."
"To be honest VS, I simply would leave without notice, . . ."
If you left without notice, how would you pay the allowance back?
Regards,
John |
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secretsquirrel
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| Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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As a former inmate of a certain HCT 'women's institution', I can certainly not recommend the camp in Abu Dhabi. Its rapid spiral into the mire has been well-documented on this forum, so I'll add no more.
However, as the conversation seems to have taken a shift towards absconders, I must admit that I still smile fondly when remembering the 'psychologist' who turned up at HCT to be a 'student counsellor'. He took out a large loan some three months after arriving, and then discretely disappeared into the steamy Arab night.
It was, by all accounts, a carefully planned exercise, and well executed too, I should add. So, if you fancy a quick way to pocket some 50,000 bucks, here's your opening!
PS: click on the www button below for some unabridged stories of life at ADWC! |
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veiledsentiments
Joined: 20 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:50 am Post subject: Re: HCT |
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| alsysgo wrote: |
| I hardly think that is true. Instructors come and go in the ME. That is what this forum is all about. |
Absolutely NOT true!! This forum is about knowing enough about a place so that you can accept a job where you don't have to be moving every year and deciding which places are easiest to abscond from. The vast majority of the teachers that I have known and worked with in the Gulf were professionals and NEVER took a job thinking that they were going to abscond the minute they didn't like this or that.
I did about 6 years in Oman and 4 years in Abu Dhabi - not one teacher that I worked with at these jobs absconded. It involved 3 different universities. Most teachers completed their contracts or if they needed to or wished to, they gave the appropriate notice required by their contracts and left.
I did abscond from one job at Kuwait University. But I had gone in knowing that there were big problems and half of the department the year before had either been fired or absconded. The year that I was there, again half of us absconded. The reason most teachers didn't do it legally is because Kuwait has the most insane bureaucratic procedures in the Gulf. They had just finished my first year paperwork a month before I left and I still didn't have a copy of a signed contract.  I'd probably still be there ticking boxes and getting signatures.
But the check in and out in Oman and the UAE was straightforward. There was no reason to ever decamp in dark of night. And if you leave owing your employer a half or more of an allowance, you are running away from debt. And since a place like HCT, ZU, or UAEU is a government institution, you are leaving government debt which may (or may not) get you blacklisted in the GCC.
BTW... you are the one suggesting that you plan to abscond owing money to your employer... and yes, that would make you a thief.  One could say the same about me as relates to Kuwait. But I don't know for sure since they never gave me a contract, so I had no way to know what the obligations were as far as the allowance. That wouldn't be true at HCT, you would have a contract that clearly set out the procedures.
VS |
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alsysgo
Joined: 09 Mar 2012
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| Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:13 am Post subject: HCT |
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I beg your pardon! I NEVER once said, I would leave without paying a debt! Furthermore, I am offended that you took my post out of context and twisted it into YOUR words.
Once again, I originally asked if HCT provided accommodation OR...OR allowances. If they provided accommodation (explaining for the second time now), and I did not like the going ons in the school, then I could simply leave upon receiving my salary. No, I would not give a 3 months notice. I would just go. AND as a further payback (on many levels), I would write a post on this forum, as well as others, about MY unpleasant experiences with management, colleagues, etc.
If they provided a housing allowance, again, I would leave after they completed the paperwork. You assume, I would take a furnishing allowance. That is an optional consideration. It is not mandatory by any university that you accept it.
Be careful. Your accusations are unfounded and could be considered slanderous. |
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