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thepeel

Joined: 08 Aug 2004

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:42 am Post subject: Oslo rape statistics shock

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article190268.ece

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Two out of three charged with rape in Norway's capital are immigrants with a non-western background according to a police study. The number of rape cases is also rising steadily.The study is the first where the crime statistics have been analyzed according to ethnic origin. Of the 111 charged with rape in Oslo last year, 72 were of non-western ethnic origin, 25 are classified as Norwegian or western and 14 are listed as unknown.

Rape charges in the capital are spiraling upwards, 40 percent higher from 1999 to 2000 and up 13 percent so far this year.

Nine out of ten cases do not make it to prosecution, most of them because police do not believe the evidence is sufficient to reach a conviction.

While 65 percent of those charged with rape are classed as coming from a non-western background, this segment makes up only 14.3 percent of Oslo's population. Norwegian women were the victims in 80 percent of the cases, with 20 percent being women of foreign background.

I once posted about this, a year back or so, and the regular crew just slammed the source and me as being a racist etc etc. Well, now the MSM has picked it up.

This is the face of multiculturalism. That great lie.

Thankfully, Lefty academics have advice for these young womyn.

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�Norwegian women must take their share of responsibility for these rapes� �Norwegian women must realize that we live in a Multicultural society and adapt themselves to it.�

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1754

And, here is some perspective, for you anti-American types.

The number of rapes in the Norwegian capital Oslo is six times as high as in New York City.
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1754

To preempt, Bush style!, any attacks. This has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with culture. As in, some cultures are on the whole better and less barbaric than others. I offer the above as evidence.

huffdaddy

Joined: 25 Nov 2005

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:41 am Post subject:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita

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#3 Australia: 0.777999 per 1,000 people
#5 Canada: 0.733089 per 1,000 people
#9 United States: 0.301318 per 1,000 people
#12 New Zealand: 0.213383 per 1,000 people
#13 United Kingdom: 0.142172 per 1,000 people

#53 Turkey: 0.0180876 per 1,000 people
#57 Qatar: 0.0139042 per 1,000 people
#62 Indonesia: 0.00567003 per 1,000 people
#63 Yemen: 0.0038597 per 1,000 people
#65 Saudi Arabia: 0.00329321 per 1,000 people

Nice theory while it lasted.

Last edited by huffdaddy on Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:42 am; edited 1 time in total

Juregen

Joined: 30 May 2006

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 5:41 am Post subject:

Brussels journal is quit known for it's right wing approach to the problem of immigration. Statistics hide more then they show. Do they even adress the issue if WHY such and so? I don't think so.

Kuros

Joined: 27 Apr 2004

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:14 am Post subject:

huffdaddy wrote:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita

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Nice theory while it lasted.

Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence.

thepeel

Joined: 08 Aug 2004

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 6:31 am Post subject:

Juregen wrote:

Brussels journal is quit known for it's right wing approach to the problem of immigration.

Statistics hide more then they show. Do they even adress the issue if WHY such and so?

I don't think so.

So typical of a European. First deny, and then question the source. Fine.

BUUUUTTT, brusselsjournal ok. How about:

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article190268.ece

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Because, of course, the article didn't come from Brusselsjournal. 65% of rapes come from 14% of the population.

thepeel

Joined: 08 Aug 2004

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:07 am Post subject:

Kuros wrote:

huffdaddy wrote:

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_percap-crime-rapes-per-capita

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Nice theory while it lasted.

Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence.

Right. That post, from huff, was quite strange. Does he think that women are as likely to report rape in Turkey as they are in Norway? Saudi? Where they need 4 male witnesses or similar for a guilty verdict? Dude, that is the most weak counter-point I've ever seen.

huffdaddy

Joined: 25 Nov 2005

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:28 am Post subject:

BJWD wrote:

Just countering a weak argument with a weak counter point. Or do you not see the problems of making such broad sweeping conclusions based upon the scanty statistics you provided?

happeningthang

Joined: 26 Apr 2003

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:32 am Post subject:

Not commenting on the AftenPolten source (the others being right wing blogs and quite obvious in their bias) but this article is from 2001, and probably was last year when you mentioned it as well. What's been happening in the interim?

thepeel

Joined: 08 Aug 2004

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:33 am Post subject:

huffdaddy wrote:

BJWD wrote:

Just countering a weak argument with a weak counter point. Or do you not see the problems of making such broad sweeping conclusions based upon the scanty statistics you provided?

I posted an article from a newspaper IN Norway. That article referenced a "police study". It is solidly msm. You counter with "nationmaster" and the intellectual fortitude of a taco.

What "broad sweeping conclusions" that I made do you dislike?

Either way, I do enjoy that you ignore the issue and steer debate into the source. Typical.

thepeel

Joined: 08 Aug 2004

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:41 am Post subject:

happeningthang wrote:

Not commenting on the AftenPolten source (the others being right wing blogs and quite obvious in their bias) but this article is from 2001, and probably was last year when you mentioned it as well.

What's been happening in the interim?

If something is "right wing", does that by default make it wrong? This sounds like a very lazy way for lefties to toss aside very legitimate criticism. I am right wing, in many ways, but I am also honest.

If my bias is against smoking, and I can provide evidence that smoking causes problems, does that mean that smoking doesn't cause problems because of my bias?

No. That is just lazy. If you think the data is wrong, show me why? It is from 2001. Well, what do you think? Do you assume it is getting better, worse or the same? Why?

I assume worse, because Europeans deny and apologize. They are weak, and the strong prey on the weak. Such is life.

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Rape reports soar in Oslo
Nearly 300 women have sought help so far this year from Oslo's emergency clinic handling rape victims. That's a higher per capita rate than New York City's, and the clinic is having trouble meeting demand.

he clinic (voldtektsmottak) at the emergency hospital known as Legevakt has never had so many rape victims to treat. Its ability to care for them all is being severely tested.

The number of reported rapes has skyrocketed this year, from 235 last year.

"Our resources have been the same for the past 10 years, while the number of our patients has doubled, and continues to increase this year," said Endre Sandvik, leader of Oslo Legevakt.

Demand for evidence that can be used by prosecutors has also increased, "and we're using more time to secure evidence," Sandvik said.

City officials are asking the state to help fund improvements, to better assist victims and their chances of prosecuting their assailants.

"The growth in the number of rapes is dramatic," said Sylvi Listhaug, the politician in charge of health issues on the Oslo City Council. "It makes me angry, and worried about the young women of our city."

http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1567514.ece

Yet another example of Brussels Journal, despite the "Right wing" slant, getting it right! Rapes ARE higher than NYC. That article is from the 12th of Dec.

huffdaddy

Joined: 25 Nov 2005

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:51 am Post subject:

BJWD wrote:

I posted an article from a newspaper IN Norway. That article referenced a "police study". It is solidly msm. You counter with "nationmaster" and the intellectual fortitude of a taco.

While I'm sure the Norwegian police have great statistical aptitude, I'd just prefer to see a little more information on their methodology before drawing any conclusions.

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What "broad sweeping conclusions" that I made do you dislike?

Either way, I do enjoy that you ignore the issue and steer debate into the source. Typical.

It has nothing to do with the sweeping conclusions themself. But rather the method of obtaining those conclusions. Bunk data is bunk data. Cry foul all you want, but if you're going to present "statistics" to back up your idoleogy, make sure your statistics mean something. As it stands now, the numbers you present are meaningless.

thepeel

Joined: 08 Aug 2004

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:53 am Post subject:

Just so I know, what "sweeping conclusions" are you talking about. Related, what is my ideology?

huffdaddy

Joined: 25 Nov 2005

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 8:08 am Post subject:

BJWD wrote:

Just so I know, what "sweeping conclusions" are you talking about. Related, what is my ideology?

This sweeping conclusion:

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This has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with culture. As in, some cultures are on the whole better and less barbaric than others. I offer the above as evidence.

What ever your ideology is, I don't care. I'm just here to point out that you present no real evidence to support this conclusion. In short, I believe you're trying to fit bad data into your preconceived ideas. Which is a big scientific no-no.

twg

Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:21 am Post subject:

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This is the face of multiculturalism. That great lie.

So, chappy, what would you say your final solution to this problem you see more clearly than the rest of us?

Ya-ta Boy

Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 2:02 pm Post subject:

Actually he posted on this topic Aug. 26 in 'What has gone wrong'? http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/viewtopic.php?t=64503&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=Oslo&start=0

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