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Zoidberg
Joined: 29 Mar 2006
Location: Somewhere too hot for my delicate marine constitution
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| I do find this one strange however: People who object to baby seals being horrifically murdered suck. That one I'm having difficulty getting my head around. |
For the record, I do object to the sadistic killing of baby animals. The people who suck however were comparing said killing with the rape of a 13 year old, claiming that it was somehow worse, and declaring that someone who found the destruction of the girl's life more abhorrent was a "speciest".
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| I didn't use anything or push anything. You're the one who used the story to push your own asinine agenda, and I was responding to that. |
I never used the article to push anything. I did however use madowlspeaks' own words and a number of dictionary sites to show his/her lack mental agility in claiming that seal site took (or ate) the cake from the OP's story.
| madowlspeaks wrote: |
| Happy to see that you have finally deduced there is no point in arguing with true logic. |
Not quite. laigaiguk was merely stating that trying to convince uh... fanatics (could have also used zealots, cultists, any would do) of anything is a waste of time, and therefore not worth it. I was agreeing. |
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nautilus
Joined: 26 Nov 2005
Location: Je jump, Tu jump, oui jump!
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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To go back to the 'people suck" topic, I would agree to an extent. Part of the problem with "friends" in korea is that you are limited to brief acquinatances with people you probably normally wouldn't assoociate with back home. Everyone is usually here for a short time and the turnover is high, so its a case of everyone out for themselves.
However I do count myself lucky to have known one person here for 3 years! Thats a pretty deep friendship as far as esl teachers go.
Korean friends are extremely fickle i find and its hard to remain on good terms with a korean longer than a few months on average..ships in the night. |
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madowlspeaks
Joined: 07 Dec 2006
Location: Somewhere in time and space
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:34 pm Post subject: |
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| For the record, I do object to the sadistic killing of baby animals. The people who suck however were comparing said killing with the rape of a 13 year old, claiming that it was somehow worse, and declaring that someone who found the destruction of the girl's life more abhorrent was a "speciest".I never used the article to push anything. I did however use madowlspeaks' own words and a number of dictionary sites to show his/her lack mental agility in claiming that seal site took (or ate) the cake from the OP's story. |
Dude, you are one sick twisted *beep.*
You have somehow managed turing Eats the cake equivalent to that of Comparing said killing with the rape of a 13 year old, claiming that it was somehow worse, and declaring that someone who found the destruction of the girl's life more abhorrent was a "speciest"
Wow. Just wow. Who's the fanatic????
If you can't understand a play on words, that's your problem. The mental agility is YOUR shortcoming if you can't deal with semantic issues... |
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Zoidberg
Joined: 29 Mar 2006
Location: Somewhere too hot for my delicate marine constitution
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| Posted: Mon Dec 18, 2006 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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| For the record, I do object to the sadistic killing of baby animals. The people who suck however were comparing said killing with the rape of a 13 year old, claiming that it was somehow worse, and declaring that someone who found the destruction of the girl's life more abhorrent was a "speciest".I never used the article to push anything. I did however use madowlspeaks' own words and a number of dictionary sites to show his/her lack mental agility in claiming that seal site took (or ate) the cake from the OP's story. |
Dude, you are one sick twisted *beep.*
You have somehow managed turing Eats the cake equivalent to that of Comparing said killing with the rape of a 13 year old, claiming that it was somehow worse, and declaring that someone who found the destruction of the girl's life more abhorrent was a "speciest"
Wow. Just wow. Who's the fanatic????
If you can't understand a play on words, that's your problem. The mental agility is YOUR shortcoming if you can't deal with semantic issues... |
Look, if you can't comprehend the concept that "takes (or eats) the cake" means "this is the most extreme example available, more so than all examples previously given", then you are the one having semantic difficulties.
But, being generous, I'm willing to accept that you did not understand the actual meaning of the words you were typing, and that you didn't mean that you thought killing baby seals was worse than the story in the OP, despite how the words you chose made it seem that way.
Also... just how does me disagreeing with you on the relative importance of the lives of baby animals compared to the life and wellbeing of young of my own species make me one sick twisted *beep.*? |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:18 am Post subject: |
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Sorry, but I'm suspicious of any of these videos. Activists have been known to pay 'hunters'. |
Where the f*** do you get this? Do you have any proof? |
The proof is readily available.
"1964: Film of a seal being skinned alive is used by the International Fund for Animal Welfare (IFAW) to vilify Canadian sealers, and is screened on CBC television. Following a public outcry and investigation, the man in the film, Gus Poirier of Prince Edward Island, signs an affidavit declaring that he was "employed by a group of photographers ... to skin a large seal for the film. I solemnly swear before witnesses that I was asked to torment the said seal and not to use a [club], but just to use a knife to carry out this operation, where in normal practice a [club] is used to first kill the seals before skinning them." A Federal Standing Committee castigated CBC "for not enquiring into its accuracy before screening," but the damage had been done."
"1998 - 2002: In a case filed by the Canadian government against Jason Penney and other Newfoundland sealers for acts of alleged cruelty, the court refuses to admit as evidence a gory videotape produced by IFAW. The footage lasts 23 minutes, and contains no fewer than 77 cuts, suggesting some changes could have been made, says the judge, who also calls the cameraman "a sophisticated con man". (See Court Finds IFAW Video "Evidence" Inadmissible FCUSA press release, Apr. 21, 1999) The Crown appeals and Penney is subsequently convicted by the Supreme Court of Newfoundland, but in 2002 the Court of Appeal overturns the conviction after finding that the trial judge admitted the video as evidence without considering the credibility of the witnesses.
In its ruling, the court writes: "Evidence establishing that the video has not been altered or changed is a precondition to its admission as evidence. Current technology is such that it is not difficult for a competent person to alter visual evidence. In this case, the video was, for a lengthy period, in the possession of a company that edits videos."(3)"
http://www.furcommission.com/news/newsC7.htm
The IFAW...mmm, that name sounds familiar.
Oh, now I remember. |
The guy is a sadistic killer and we're supposed to believe he wouldn't sign a false statement? And who cares if cuts were made to the video? They show animals being tortured and killed ... we don't need to see what else happened. |
Oh, so it's not important that the activists probably paid them? |
Probably? I thought you had proof? It sounds as if he was "probably" paid to make a false statement. |
Don't waste your time arguing semantics when I've already presented proof that at least one person has been paid. 'Them' was a reference to the people in the second video I mentioned, the one that was heavily edited, which apparently led at least one judge to suggest that someone had staged the scenes.
Now, as for Gus Poirier, here's what I think what may have happened...
I don't expect you to know this, but most Acadian fishermen and their families lived in abject poverty up until they became unionized in the early 70's. That's probably why they chose Mr. Poirier as the subject of their 'documentary'. They might have thought that he would be unable to defend himself properly in court because he was more likely poor, uneducated, and quite possibly unable to speak English fluently. I wouldn't be surprised if they wanted to conjure up images of the evil French trappers of old Hollywood films.
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madowlspeaks
Joined: 07 Dec 2006
Location: Somewhere in time and space
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| For the record, I do object to the sadistic killing of baby animals. The people who suck however were comparing said killing with the rape of a 13 year old, claiming that it was somehow worse, and declaring that someone who found the destruction of the girl's life more abhorrent was a "speciest".I never used the article to push anything. I did however use madowlspeaks' own words and a number of dictionary sites to show his/her lack mental agility in claiming that seal site took (or ate) the cake from the OP's story. |
Dude, you are one sick twisted *beep.*
You have somehow managed turing Eats the cake equivalent to that of Comparing said killing with the rape of a 13 year old, claiming that it was somehow worse, and declaring that someone who found the destruction of the girl's life more abhorrent was a "speciest"
Wow. Just wow. Who's the fanatic????
If you can't understand a play on words, that's your problem. The mental agility is YOUR shortcoming if you can't deal with semantic issues... |
Look, if you can't comprehend the concept that "takes (or eats) the cake" means "this is the most extreme example available, more so than all examples previously given", then you are the one having semantic difficulties.
But, being generous, I'm willing to accept that you did not understand the actual meaning of the words you were typing, and that you didn't mean that you thought killing baby seals was worse than the story in the OP, despite how the words you chose made it seem that way.
Also... just how does me disagreeing with you on the relative importance of the lives of baby animals compared to the life and wellbeing of young of my own species make me one sick twisted *beep.*? |
Like I said.
SQUAWK...
Interpret your sematics any you want and don't make any ASSumptions on my behalf...
"Eats the cake" and "takes the cake" are not the same. "Eats the cake" means food for thought about how people suck.
Now, why don't you eat my pie and shut your cake hole?
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Zoidberg
Joined: 29 Mar 2006
Location: Somewhere too hot for my delicate marine constitution
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| madowlsqueaks wrote: |
| "Eats the cake" and "takes the cake" are not the same. "Eats the cake" means food for thought about how people suck. |
| TheFreeDictionary wrote: |
eats the cake
Phrase not found in the Dictionary and Encyclopedia. |
Way to make up your own idiom that no one but you knows and that you can claim means whatever you want.  |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| What kind of cake are we talking about here,. if it's rice cake, I ain't innerested. |
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Zoobot
Joined: 25 Aug 2006
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 5:38 am Post subject: |
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I'm glad my sense of humor protects me against that misanthropic abyss I would otherwise sink into after noticing the lengths some people will go to to discredit organizations that try to protect little furry critters. Even if they lie to do it. Put yourself in the activist's shoes: seal clubbing happens in the arctic. How are you going to sneak up on someone and film them? Is that itself an ethical thing to do? What do you do to get seal mutilators on film? "Excuse me sir, can I film you while you mutilate that seal so I can show the world what a horrible person you are." UMMMMM NO. I think both sides of this debate are so full of bullpucky, their eyes are turning brown(er).
Activists are just doing what they believe in, just like you are. Sometimes they lie just like the rest of us. Sometimes its a valid strategy to deceive in order to reveal a more important truth (like the lives of animals AND humans are valuable). The seal is important, but so is the life of the maybe dirt-poor sealer who maybe just thinks its his only option.
BTW the OP's story is likewise disgusting. But so is the effort which some here obviously take to discredit animal rights or welfare organizations (not as disgusting mind you, not even in the same universe of disgusting). Why don't you go volunteer at an orphanage or something for chrissake? Oh yeah, that's illegal here.
I love this world! |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 7:12 am Post subject: |
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People who rape 13 year old girls suck.
People who watch on happily as their children are raped suck.
People who murder small furry animals suck.
I don't see how any of the 3 concepts above are off-topic.
I do find this one strange however: People who object to baby seals being horrifically murdered suck. That one I'm having difficulty getting my head around. |
Don't think anyone is condoning it Big Bird. I recall when the former McCartney's were on Larry King talking about the seal harvest, and the Premier of Newfoundland just absolutely owned those two vegetarians, IMO. It was clear that although the seal harvesting industry has cleaned up it's act and is now harvesting in a responsible way, the only answer that Linda and Paul would have been satisfied with was the Premier saying the seal harvest had been ended. Well, people in Newfoundland don't see it the way the Greenpeacnics do. They see it as a business with many benefits to many people, and if done in a humane way, then they will not stand in the way of men making a living for their families. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:03 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, if it's cute be humane. If it's not cute, who cares? |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:18 am Post subject: |
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Clubbing seals is another sign that people are sick. Skinning them alive moreso. if that were ended today, who would suffer??
I'd say 1000 dead seals is worth a human life. 190 are worth the rape of a young teenager. We all have our karma....
Butchers of animals were traditionally outcasts in korean history. Same in India? could it be that somehow, all life is sacred? |
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endofthewor1d
Joined: 01 Apr 2003
Location: the end of the wor1d.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| 1000 is a pretty round number, and i guess it didn't require a lot of thought. but i'm curious as to how you calculated a number as specific as 190 dead seals as equal to one human life. |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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| 190 dead seals is equal o the rape of the girl, not a human life. Certainly a human lif is worth more than 190 seals. It's (in fact) worth 1000 seals. The predicate calculus is pretty complex. I'll work on figuring a way to post the symbol derivation. |
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Zoidberg
Joined: 29 Mar 2006
Location: Somewhere too hot for my delicate marine constitution
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2006 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| 190 are worth the rape of a young teenager. We all have our karma.... |
But what if the young teenager is raped by her mother's HIV + boyfriend in front of her stoned mother. The girl's life is trashed. If she's been infected, well then the guy has mudered her, just on a timer. How much is that worth?
How much effort do vegetarians put in to protect seals when children are used as soldiers, raped, forced to kill their own family and friends. Seals!
My contention is that humans need to stop treating each other like garbage before fixing how we treat animals. Animal cruelty sucks to be sure, but relative to torture of human children, it's not in the same league.
I'm sure red dog and madowlchokes disagree. |
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