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[maniitok]

Selling
Nikon D80, 10megapixel NEW MODEL camera (3 months new)
I bought a Japan model so no warranty but it is in perfect working order, perfect sensor and perfect condition body. Nikon or canon SLR's ALWAYS work for over 1 year which is why I didn't pay $200 extra for the warrenty (korean model). Comes with nikon batterey, battery charger and 4.0gb sandisk SD card (holds 560 photos) USB SD high speed card reader. Retails for $950. Reselling $800

Nikon Nikkor 12-24 DX, 1:4G ED wideangle lens. This shoots an incredible 107 degrees. It is 10 months new with 2 months left on the warrenty. DX means designed for digital camera. It shoots amazing wideangle photos.
Retails for $1050. Asking for $900. Body cap, lens cap, UV filter and hood included. The second best part of this lens is that it works great to group photos (up-close) and works great for flowers (capturing detail, photos) Retails $1400 Reselling $1200

Nikkor 80-400 AF VR ED 1:4.5-5.6D lens. The best part is that on the D80 body - it gets 500mm of zoom. This is huge. It is VR (virbration reduction) which means you can shoot without a tripod for most things except tiny birds which require a tripod. It can zoom down to 80 to be used for regurlar up-close photos. Comes with lens cap, body cap, UV filter and hood.
Retails for $1600
Reselling $1200 obo

I'm selling it as a package. Or 2 piece minimum. I can sell this easily individually on ebay.

please check ebay to verify my accurate prices.
email me for photos [email protected]

[superdave]

this is the second time you've posted this ...

three days this time and no interest!

still think the price i offered you was too low?

admit it dude, you paid premium prices for this stuff and you're not prepared to admit that walking out of the store cuts the ass out of the value of your kit.

ebay prices are no indication of the value of your kit. good luck selling it on ebay, because you'd have to knock another 20% off your price to interest buyers who have to insure and ship this gear abroad.

the value of a D80 TODAY is 749,000 won. that's an imported one with no warranty (same as yours). body only no lens (same as yours).

that's new price, yours is used ... so you're asking for MORE than i could go and buy one new. you're giving a 4gig card (useful) and a card reader (useless). but that still doesn't justify you selling this for MORE than new ...

650,000 won would be the best price you'd get. maybe 700,000.

next, your 12-24mm lens is NOT retailing at $1400. i can buy one TODAY for 1,100,000 won. your lens is 10 months old. you want $1200 which is MORE than the new price.

$800-900 would be the best you'd get ... and that's a generous price.

lastly is your 80-400 vr lens ... btw, this lens has received terrible reviews across the board. so i personally don't rate it as a worthy purchase.

surprisingly you've got your price pretty close, but i could still get this for around $1550 TODAY. you're asking $1200. i think that's a little high, but a fair top end price. or best offer (as you added afterwards) means that you should be prepared to get offers of around $1000-1100.

you're asking $3200 for kit that i'd rate at around $2700-2800 ... and that's without allowing for any negotiation.

also, first time you offered a lowepro bag ... i see that's gone. so your prices are still as high, but you're giving away less with the deal.

personally i think you're a moron. i made you an offer that was VERY reasonable and your reply was

[billyg]

wow. this particular thread deserves a reality show. b.

[maniitok]

hi,

go look at www.gmarket.com - the korean online shopping site

80-400vr is 1 740 000
http://www.gmarket.co.kr/challenge/neo_goods/goods.asp?goodscode=106110987&pos_shop_cd=SH&pos_class_cd=111111111&pos_class_kind=T&keyword_order=nikon+80%2D400+vr&search_keyword=nikon%2080-400%20vr
12-24 is 1 430 000
http://www.gmarket.co.kr/challenge/neo_goods/goods.asp?goodscode=106022686&pos_shop_cd=SH&pos_class_cd=111111111&pos_class_kind=T&keyword_order=nikon+12%2D24+dx&search_keyword=nikon%2012-24%20dx
D80 979 000
http://www.gmarket.co.kr/challenge/neo_goods/goods.asp?goodscode=111279144&pos_shop_cd=SH&pos_class_cd=111111111&pos_class_kind=T&keyword_order=nikon+d80&search_keyword=nikon%20d80

So my sale is reasonable considering the value of NEW gear in Korea.

Also, you assumed i'm desperate to sell my gear. I'm not. I don't want your offer which stinks of someone hogwonized - trying to barter as low as possible because you fancy yourself a deal maker.

[superdave]

gmarket ... bwahahahahaha!

LOL ... nice attempt at an insult. i'm a university professor by the way ... so the hogwan remark was something of a childish retort because you obviously have nothing better.

let's talk reality. i have 4 of them for you:

1. gmarket is vastly overpriced and if you don't know that you're a bigger moron than i first stated. show me YOUR prices on danawa.com ... and i know for a fact that you can't do it. how about i take you to the camera shop that i frequent and he'll quote you even lower prices.

2. i know more about photography than you do. period. i'm telling you that your prices are too high. if you were prepared to be reasonable, i wouldn't be so blatantly rude to you. but you're not reasonable, and i'm not really feeling obligated to be civil to the village idiot.

3. i can go out my front door tomorrow, walk down the street and buy ALL THREE ITEMS NEW for cheaper than your prices. period.

4. you paid high street prices on all of those items and i guarantee you that you got ripped off. you're trying to pass that on to some other dupe and it's not going to happen.

you're trying to work a few angles. firstly you're stating that the gear is new. most of it is 10 months and nearly a year old. it will be out of any warranties by the time you sell it. once a piece of equipment is a year old and has no warranty you can drop at least 25% of the price ... at least.

secondly you're quoting ebay values. ebay values are worthless. partly because they're based on demand. partly because they're based on the fact that someone in america would have to spend big $$$ to import your lenses and insure them. partly because prices on ebay are in american dollars which are LOWER than korean won.

thirdly you're using a bullshit formula for calculating the value of your gear:

dumbass value = purchase price - depreciation

this is the formula a normal person uses:

real value = current market price - depreciation

...

so, simply put YOUR PRICES ARE STILL OVER INFLATED. try dropping 30% and you're a little closer to the realistic value.

finally, you're trying to sell over $3000 worth of gear. so it's completely retarded that you're not prepared to barter or haggle in the slightest. NOBODY is going to pay face value on used goods on a forum, in an auction house or over the internet. NOBODY ... when you find that somebody you should be happy, because that somebody will be dumber than you.

...

personally, i'm having fun now. you've proven multiple times that you don't know squat about cameras or their value. your indignation only makes you a bigger target for ridicule.

start being a little more reasonable and perhaps you won't be ridiculed in public.

re: your title ... dude, you're an ignoramus if you think you're the one delivering the smackdown! lol

elliott ... get over yourself and stop being a dumbass. the dumbest thing is that i was actually interested in buying some of your kit until i realised how anally retentive you are.

@billyg ... dude, that's funny!

[superdave]

hey elliott

i have a funny story for you. my wife is korean. i just told her that some guy was trying to use gmarket values to justify his prices. her response:

"you know that smart people use danawa.com. only dumb people use gmarket"

... see, my wife knows nothing about electronics, and even she knows more than you.

/man, this IS fun!

[maniitok]

Maybe your wife can do a grammar check on your sentences. I assumed you are a hogwon teacher because you write so poorly.

I don't know the korean internet because i'm not korean. Hope your wife can process this basic logic

I checked out DANAWA
12-24mm is 1 200 000
80 - 400 vr is 1 575 000
body is 750 000

So I'll reduce the D80 to 750 000 with card, reader and bag
and I'll reduce the 12-24mm to 1 000 000
80-400mm increases to 1330000

[superdave]

[maniitok]

get a proof reader. I read two sentences and I had to stop due to the pain caused by reading all your grammatical errors. Your insults match the level of your writing - elementary.

[superdave]

fair enough ...

since you know nothing about economics, and know even less about cameras and photography, you choose to divert this discussion into an area that has zero relevance to your original post.

i'm having fun heckling your ignorance, so i couldn't give a crap what you say about my grammar.

how about this: why don't you post a link to some photos you've taken with this $3200 kit of yours? prove how good this equipment is.

also, why don't you try discussing what's relevant. that being your anally retentive stupidity and the price of your gear.

i'll wait for the links ... i'm anticipating breath taking photographs.

btw, had any interest in your cameras yet? LOL

[maniitok]

yes, 2 guys wanted to buy the lenses and asked that I lower the prices. It's not a problem.

You are angry because I didn't want to haggle my original prices from my first post. The prices were fair but you thought the accessories weren't worth it. We expressed different opinions but the accessories have a set value and the body was, in fact, being sold (by me) for a reasonable price.

Actually, I used USA ebay and I under estimated the actual worth of the 400mm lens so it worked out to be a good deal all the way around.

I never said I wouldn't negotiate a lower price for the higher prices listed in my 2nd ad. You were so upset you assumed I wouldn't haggle these prices.

You just assume too much and write too poorly to be taken seriously.

just the facts,

Elliot

[superdave]

1. i'm not angry ... you wrote in your emails TWICE that you dont haggle ... that makes you a hypocrite. you're the one contradicting yourself.

2. i'm not upset ... i can get the same gear much cheaper. i don't care about you, but my posts are designed to warn people that your prices are ridiculously high. of course, annoying the hell out of you is a great bonus.

3. you DID SAY YOU WOULDN'T NEGOTIATE ... i have TWO emails to prove it. again, you're full of crap. a liar. a hypocrite.

4. i don't assume ... everything i said is based on the facts (ridiculous facts in your case) presented.

5. i write too poorly to be taken seriously??? that's laughable. first time i've ever had someone stupid enough to say that. dude, this is a forum. you're not the grammar police and i'll write how i damn well please.

[maniitok]

go back and look at your last 3 or 4 posts. Obviously, we shouldn't be producing professional writing but your emotions got the best of you and you were making a slew of errors. If you can't find the mistakes, mis-usage of vocabulary, etc. then you don't deserve to be teaching at a college.

I'm conscious about it because I used to write without caring about grammar until someone pointed out that I wrote like a high school student. I needed the constructive criticism and so do you.

[superdave]

LOL ... i was away editing photographs and i knew this would be the best you could come up with.

this topic is about your lack of knowledge about cameras, camera prices, photography and life in general. the best you can do is criticise my use of english on a forum where the use of grammar is completely irrelevant.

seriously elliott. go back and re-read the things you've written. perhaps you've formulated accurate syntax, but it hasn't stopped you from sounding like a complete wanker.

everything i've said has to do with photography and prices. every statement i made i backed up with proof.

all you've done is ignored logic and retorted with infantile remarks ...

david: your prices are too high. you have no idea about photography.
elliott: yeah, but you suck at grammar.
david: what?
elliott: oh, wait ... you're right, i am a wanker.

what's your next come back? how about you attack my avatar ... that's as relevant as criticising my grammar. or attack the fact that i don't use uppercase... oh my god!!! no uppercase!! or how about the fact that i spell using british english. nooooo!!!

david: you're charging too much for your lenses.
elliott: um ... um ... your logo is gay.
david: what?
elliott: and you don't know how to use punctuation. haha. you're stupid.

*claps* good job elliott.

having a decent argument with you is like having a discussion with a chimpanzee. no matter what you say, all the chimp is going to do is throw crap at you.

LOL

[superdave]

and i'm still waiting to see if you have the balls to post some photographs you've taken.