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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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 Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 1:25 am Post subject: Korean-American "Godfather" Wins Survivor 13 |
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Yul Kwon was a strategic whiz in winning the Survivor: Cook Islands top prize of a million dollars. He said that he almost withdrew from the competion when he heard that it would be segregated along ethnic and racial lines for the first time, but he decided to try his best to change media stereotyping of Asian men. He also based his strategy on forming successful alliances with people from all the different ethnic groups, noting that the strongest teams often have a "diversity of perspectives and backgrounds"...
An obviously intelligent and personable guy, Kwon has degrees from both Stanford and Yale, and he made People magazine's "Sexiest Men" listings last month.
Another Korean-American, Becky Lee, also made a good showing by placing third, but she hurt her chances by embarassingly failing to ignite a fire in a "pathetic" tiebreaker challenge that amusingly put all the other contestents to sleep...
 
http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=3ff379a3-d99d-4704-8a59-fc39c9997d81
http://www.zap2it.com/tv/news/zap-survivorcookislandswinner,0,3440640.story?coll=zap-news-headlines |
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JeJuJitsu
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: McDonald's
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| Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 2:14 am Post subject: Re: Korean-American "Godfather" Wins Survivor 13 |
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| Rteacher wrote: |
| he decided to try his best to change media stereotyping of Asian men. |
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| Kwon has degrees from both Stanford and Yale |
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midgic
Joined: 14 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 2:46 am Post subject: |
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Yul Kwon was a strategic whiz in winning the Survivor...
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People kept saying this about Yul. But I watched every episode, and I still don't see what he did that was so strategic. I guess he had everyone convinced that he was a strategic whiz. So if that was his strategy, then I suppose he succeeded.
What did he do that displayed strategic wizardry? |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| midgic wrote: |
| What did he do that displayed strategic wizardry? |
Built a solid alliance that stuck together to the end (more or less)
Decided who got the boot and who stayed
Didn't appear too bossy in doing so
Got Jonathan to switch back (thanks in large part to the hidden immunity idol)
Booted said Jonathan at the right time |
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HapKi
Joined: 10 Dec 2004
Location: TALL BUILDING-SEOUL
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| Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 3:26 am Post subject: |
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| Not to take anything away from Yul, but his contenders were not exactly Mensa members. Other than Jonathan, everyone seemed c@cky and stupid, more concerned with getting laid than strategy. Adam, his GF, Poverty, Nate, Roller Derby, Jenny, etc.. Not really a strategic play by any of them. |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 3:57 am Post subject: |
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For *beep*'s sakes. Doesn't anybody respect others enough to give a spoiler warning anymore? First Eamo does it (which he apologized for) and now rteacher.
For *beep*'s sakes, how hard would it have been to put a *survivor spoiler* warning in the subject line and put the details inside the post? |
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JeJuJitsu
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: McDonald's
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| Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 4:30 am Post subject: |
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| the_beaver wrote: |
For *beep*'s sakes. Doesn't anybody respect others enough to give a spoiler warning anymore? First Eamo does it (which he apologized for) and now rteacher.
For *beep*'s sakes, how hard would it have been to put a *survivor spoiler* warning in the subject line and put the details inside the post? |
You would make a great Star Wars nerd.
This is close to week-old news. How long exactly should this not be revealed? And if you haven't watched it yet, you can't possibly give a rats ass about the show, and you are just being a "spoiler-s1ut." |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 4:32 am Post subject: |
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| JeJuJitsu wrote: |
You would make a great Star Wars nerd.
This is close to week-old news. How long exactly should this not be revealed? And if you haven't watched it yet, you can't possibly give a rats ass about the show, and you are just being a "spoiler-s1ut." |
I watched it yesterday because it was the first chance I had to do so. Change a few things in my schedule here or there and I still wouldn't have seen it. |
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midgic
Joined: 14 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 4:58 am Post subject: |
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1. Built a solid alliance that stuck together to the end (more or less)
2. Decided who got the boot and who stayed
3. Didn't appear too bossy in doing so
4. Got Jonathan to switch back (thanks in large part to the hidden immunity idol)
5. Booted said Jonathan at the right time
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1. This 4-person alliance was formed automatically when they were abandoned by Jonathan and Candace. The four of them shared equally in keeping it together.
2. The order that people got booted was pretty much irrelevant. Also, I think the four of them made these decisions together.
3. Yul was definitely diplomatic, which I think led people to give him too much credit for being a strategic wizard, which he wasn't.
4. This was the only important thing that Yul did in the whole game. It was huge in turning the game in their favour. But really, getting a guy like Jonathan to flip is like getting a bird to fly or a fish to swim.
5. Largely irrelevant and also a group decision.
The most important aspect of the game that led the four-person alliance to get to the final four was winning challenges. Strategy played almost no part in this game. Also, Yul, Becky, and Sundra had talked about getting rid off Ozzy if he failed to win immunity. They didn't get this chance as Ozzy dominated all the challenges. Ozzy was by far the most dominant player in the game, contributed the most to his team's success, and deserved to win by 9 votes to zero.
Yul got far too much credit for being a strategic wizard when there was very little strategy involved in this game. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| midgic wrote: |
Yul got far too much credit for being a strategic wizard when there was very little strategy involved in this game. |
I think you underestimate what goes on in an environment like that. Building trust and coalitions is not as easy as you make it sound. |
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midgic
Joined: 14 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:56 am Post subject: |
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I think you underestimate what goes on in an environment like that. Building trust and coalitions is not as easy as you make it sound.
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I agree that it's not easy to build trust or alliances in that kind of environment. The four-person alliance did stay together until the final four, but I think all four of them deserve the credit for that equally. Also, I don't see how it required complex strategizing for the four of them to stick together. It was a pretty straight-forward approach. Therefore, I don't see why everyone considered Yul to be a brilliant strategic wizard.
Also, the reason why they were able to stick together was that they continued to win immunity challenges. Thus, success in challenges played more of a factor than strategy. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| midgic wrote: |
It was a pretty straight-forward approach. Therefore, I don't see why everyone considered Yul to be a brilliant strategic wizard. |
In retrospect, straight forward. Almost everyone else tried to form a lasting alliance and failed.
That Yul outlasted 19 other competitors indicates something. That he won the vote over Ozzie, who physically dominated everyone else, is also another factor. I'll trust the jury's view on who was the best player. They actually lived it. We just saw a very select highlight reel.
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| Also, the reason why they were able to stick together was that they continued to win immunity challenges. Thus, success in challenges played more of a factor than strategy. |
But that was their strategy. Win challenges!!! Seriously though, you have to give Yul credit for getting Ozzie in the alliance. Keeping him around, even though he was a potential threat, was a brillant move.
Yul deserved it over the others because he took the lead. He was the one who fit the pieces together. |
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DCJames
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 7:58 am Post subject: |
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I thought Yul used the Immunity Idol to it's fullest potential. In fact, he used it to sway Jonathan back to the original tribe and against the other tribe. This gave them the majority of votes (by one vote) to pluck off each member of the other team.
Also, he made a promise to take the four other players to the final four. He delivered on that promise.
Lastly, getting someone to vote for you is very difficult. He was able to get two members of the other tribe (Candice and Adam) to vote for him. I think that shows he was a very good diplomatic player. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| the_beaver wrote: |
| JeJuJitsu wrote: |
You would make a great Star Wars nerd.
This is close to week-old news. How long exactly should this not be revealed? And if you haven't watched it yet, you can't possibly give a rats ass about the show, and you are just being a "spoiler-s1ut." |
I watched it yesterday because it was the first chance I had to do so. Change a few things in my schedule here or there and I still wouldn't have seen it. |
I take that as a complete absolution of my sins..... |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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| Posted: Sun Dec 24, 2006 9:59 am Post subject: |
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Yul analyzed that the "key to winning the game is maximizing good luck and mitigating the bad."
He had the good "luck" of finding the hidden immunity idol early on in the contest - although it may be argued that doing so required at least some skill ...
It may also be considered his good "luck" that there was another Korean-American player, Becky Lee, who stuck with him till the end. Presumably, at least some of her loyalty was due to their being from an ethnic group whose members tend to help each other out more than is the case with other ethnic/racial groups ...
And speaking of smart strategies, how about the one employed by Parvati Shallow, a "boxer/waiter" (named after Lord Shiva's wife, "Parvati"...)?
 Her celebrity status is practically assured when after the mud-pit challenge she "... tries to use the only talent she has. They all get naked in the hot tub and she flirts as hard as she can. She says that she has the advantage because it�s 2 guys to a girl. That�s the only advantage that she has for the whole game..."
 http://www.survivor.com/category/survivor-13-cook-islands/survivor-13-cast/raratonga-tribe/parvati-shallow/
Actually, by resisting Parvati's advances and getting her voted off, Yul "mitigated" his bad luck (in terms of game strategy...) of finding himself naked in a hot tub with her... |
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