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President Roh will be their doom
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mack the knife



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 4:26 pm    Post subject: President Roh will be their doom Reply with quote

Why doesn't he just come out and admit that he's fully pro-Pyongyang? He's done everything short of that. Last week he said that conscription is a waste of time, and that Korea needs to gain wartime control of the troops ASAP.

Both of these ideas are BAD NEWS for South Koreans.

First, conscription trains South Koreans. South Korea got it's ass owned by N. Korea back in the day because they had no army to speak of, and the average male didn't know one end of a rifle from the other. Should another country attack S. Korea today, not only would they be facing the regular army, but also millions of potential reservists. Thank you, conscription.

Second, should S. Korea gain wartime control of its troops? The answer is yes, but not anytime soon. As long as N. Korea remains a very real threat (more so now because China has its eye on them, too) it doesn't make sense to have two "separate but equal" armies on the peninsula. Can one imagine the debacle of trying to coordinate two entirely distinct armies during a crisis which would come across the border like lightning? Either the Koreans have to control the full deal by themselves, or the U.S. does. Right now, the U.S. is holding the world's last remaining trump card (nuclear strikes from submarines). Ergo, let us run the show.

Roh is sending Korea up the creek without a paddle. Perhaps S. Koreans are getting what they deserve. After all, Roh came into power based almost entirely on his anti-U.S., pro-North agenda.
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sadsac



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roh has certainly turned up the heat regarding anti US sentiment and unfortunately that impacts on most foreigners, as Koreans think if you are a white anglo, thyen you are American. Sad to be sure. Smile
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sumfunu



Joined: 07 Dec 2006
Location: Canada

PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 6:10 pm    Post subject: Pres. Roh will be their doom..... Reply with quote

I could not agree with you more.I personally hate the little douche bag and feel sincerely sorry for the many good friends that I still have in Korea. He is too worried about " restoring the honour " of North Korean spies/communist insurgents( I heard that his father-in-law was executed as a commie and there is a so-called " red-stripe " through the family registry, which is supposedly why he has such a burning hard-on about that issue, but I stand to be corrected on this ), instead of working on more pressing problems, such as, THE ECONOMY( he has done a fine job of scaring away FDI ), the education system,etc. He has taken Korea back in the eyes of the world( in my view ) and the sooner he is sent back to the rice paddy, the better off the country will be. His witch hunt for " collaborators "( 97% of them are dead, but hey, let`s dredge up some hatred and really polarize the country ) was/is another stellar piece of work that has taken valuable resources and time away from pressing issues.
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Kimchi Cha Cha



Joined: 15 May 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korean people deserve a lot better than this clown. Thank goodness he's nearing the end of his term and they won't have to put up with him for much longer.
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Unposter



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatchya talking about Mack?

The U.S. Army is an all-volunteer Army and it is the best in the World! Do you really think conscripts are better than people who want to be there?

So what if the Korean government got their hat handed to them by the Communists? That was what? Over 50 years ago! It is like investing in stocks, "Past performance does not guarantee future results."

The only way South Korea will become a mature, independent nation is if they do it themselves. The longer the U.S. holds their hand, the longer it will take to do things themselves.

Roh's policy on this is actually on the mark. He has not done it unilaterally in one fall swoop; it is a gradual process with the U.S. Army's backing. We are asking the Iraq people to govern and protect themselves after four years; I think 50 is plenty for South Korea.

And Roh wants a free trade agreement with the U.S.! It would have been done by now if he were dictator of Korea and not their President. I don't call that Anti-American.

Roh may bot be refined, cultured, eloquent or highly educated. I can think of a few U.S. Presidents like that...Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, George W. Bush...but so what? Roh had the charisma to win a national election, give him credit for something.

Personally I hate seeing my tax money wasted guarding the 48th Parallell. The sad part is if the U.S. troops ever did leave Korea, that money would just be wated on something else instead of spent on things we need like financial aid for university students. Got loans? Blame our idiotic government's priorities. Could you imagine a war on college debt?
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get some perspective. There's a wide difference between acting like a liberal democratic leader and worshipping a fascist Stalinist state.
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Moldy Rutabaga



Joined: 01 Jul 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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mack the knife



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Conscription: Compulsory enrollment, especially for the armed forces; draft.


I'm confused. How is this different than mandatory service? Is conscription only during wartime? Honestly I don't know, so you must edumacate me.

Now, about my post. Roh is saying that mandatory service is a waste of time. This is nonsense. Every single man, woman and child in this country needs to know how to fire a weapon. Right now the threat is seemingly N. Korea, but as everyone knows the real threat is ultimately China (or a nuclear Japan). Sooner or later there's gonna be trouble. That's how Asians operate. That's the bottom line.

No one will ever be able to forcefully take over the U.S. because almost every man, woman and child will gladly blow off the head of anyone who tries, and we have the guns to do it. We. ROCK. Even without mandatory service. However, most countries do not love guns (and the right to not be f*cked with) as much as we do, so they need mandatory service. Case in point: S. Korea.
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He 's doing it solely as a political move to gain support from young voters (for whichever candidate unluky enough to get his endorsement).

How is any opposition party going to stand against this type of plan and not loose voters?

The only thing that can save them is to hammer on Noh about how he sullies the Military' accomplishments/service.
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Moldy Rutabaga



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not saying one is good or one is bad, but to me military service is something every male does at a fixed time for a fixed length, and conscription is more of a one-off thing; people are called up for a particular service (war) for an unspecified time (until the war ends).

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Vancouver



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm surprised he hasn't been assasinated yet
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Pluto



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We should not blame Koreans for Roh; just look at his popularity numbers lately!


I am not exactly sure what those numbers are, but I have heard that even President Bush is more popular in France than Roh is in his own Country.
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freshking



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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Roh is somewhere around 10% right now, give or take a few points. Comparatively "W" is at around 30% in the states. Couple of lame ducks. Roh had better be careful what he says about the military...just look at Thailand. BTW that was a joke.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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1) A better way would have been to work within the military to shorten service time or to create other options for service.

2)...Diplomatically negotiating a graduated handover is the adult way to do this...

3) Has he forgotten that a hostile, nuclear-tipped army on your border which is still technically at war with you might be a cause to someday need it?



1) He made that promise in the run-up to the election in '02. (And delivered.) He may not think he can ask for further reductions. There was something in the paper the other day about asking 30,000 recruits to stay on for more money. I don't remember what that was all about.

2) He did start the diplomatic process of asking for a turnover of command. He asked for 2012 (I think) and the US responded with "OK, how about '09?" At which point the military panicked and said, "We're not ready!" A little egg on Mr. Roh's face.

3) I'm sure he hasn't forgotten this. In fact, just a week or so ago he said that it didn't matter that the Norks have the bomb. South Korea can still beat 'em if it comes to it.


The heartening thing about all this is his poll ratings. One has him at 8.8% and another at 11%. Clearly the general public is underwhelmed with his performance. A LOT of people are feeling they were manipulated in the last election and are a lot more skeptical about politician using anti-Americanism as a ploy to get elected. Too bad they haven't figured out that the same people use anti-Japanese sentiment in exactly the same way.
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bjonothan



Joined: 29 Apr 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2006 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all, only a narrow minded American would believe that their army is the best in the world. What a joke! The American army believes in numbers, not quality. Check out how many get killed by friendly fire. Ask the Canadians about that one. Secondly, Korean men are fags at the best of times. Imagine if they didn't go into the army for a couple of years....
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