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Bukowski
Joined: 29 Nov 2006
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 Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:22 am Post subject: Another Bad Teacher |
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From the content of many of these posts, it is pretty obvious what is going on here.
Some of you continue to play the victim card, claiming your employers are "bad" when in fact it's just the opposite.
Will nobody admit that there are a bunch of bodies here that create the circumstances that they find themselves in? Why is it that trouble is always finding you? Do you really believe that you just happen to be employed by "bad" boss after "bad" boss?
I have no doubt that you do believe it, but it doesn't make it true.
Flame away...
AC
This post was in response to another "bad" teacher writing a post about another "bad" hagwon. |
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:24 am Post subject: |
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| Which hogwan do you own or act as director? |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:48 am Post subject: |
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It's kind of a chicken-and-egg problem, don't you think?
Sure, there are a lot of crappy and incompetent teachers here, but who's hiring and flying in all these untrained, inexperienced teachers and putting absolutely no effort whatsoever into training them, hmmmmm? |
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bellum99
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: don't need to know
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:07 am Post subject: |
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| The OP joined on (30 Nov 2006). That is enough to say as a retort. |
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Bukowski
Joined: 29 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:18 am Post subject: |
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Perhaps, but you have to admit that it's pretty funny for some person to want to take a position doing something they don't have a clue about.
It might be a cultural thing, but I doubt a Korean would apply for a job in a field they had no experience in.
Sure, many are going to shout, "A monkey can do this job!" Fair enough, but a monkey wouldn't be able to do the job well. Then, you will have those that say, "I can learn as I go." Too true, but is it fair to all of those children that were ruined by those that were winging it?
Sorry, but no matter how you slice it, there are far more incompetent "monkeys" here than there are inept owners.
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Octavius Hite
Joined: 28 Jan 2004
Location: Househunting, looking for a new bunker from which to convert the world to homosexuality.
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:26 am Post subject: |
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| It might be a cultural thing, but I doubt a Korean would apply for a job in a field they had no experience in. |
You clearly have never read the history of Hyundai then???? The whole friggin company was started by a guy who had no idea what he was doing, but he figured it out. What evil Hogwon are you director of?????
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Gamecock
Joined: 26 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:29 am Post subject: |
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| Sorry, but no matter how you slice it, there are far more incompetent "monkeys" here than there are inept owners. |
How long have you really been in Korea? How many hogwans have you worked at? Trust me, there are a plethura of inept owners. But they aren't the ones who REALLY scare me. It's the competent, greedy ones who use people soley to line their own pockets, then throw them away. It's not only the foreign monkeys who get the shaft, but their well-educated and hard working Korean staff as well.
There are without a doubt quite a few idiots here that have wandered over from abroad, and quite a few of them post their idiocy here on Dave's. A MAJORITY of the people I have worked with, however, are sincere people who are willing to give their best for an honest day's wage. A good boss in Korea is the exception, as many Koreans themselves will tell you! |
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ajuma
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| Bukowski wrote: |
It might be a cultural thing, but I doubt a Korean would apply for a job in a field they had no experience in. |
NOT TRUE!! Probably 80% (and I'm being conservative here!) of my students get jobs in fields they aren't trained for. For example: One of my students studied English Lang/Lit and Journalism. He's now working in the budget department!  I could go on and on!
That said, Korean companies value "on-the-job" training as much, or more than a degree. Guess they think that if you throw a foreigner in a classroom, it's up to the teacher to figure it out. |
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Pa Jan Jo A Hamnida
Joined: 27 Oct 2006
Location: Not Korea
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:04 am Post subject: |
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| The underlying problem is respect. A Hogwan teacher is valued on appearance only. Skills are not important. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 11:08 am Post subject: |
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| Gamecock wrote: |
| How long have you really been in Korea? How many hogwans have you worked at? Trust me, there are a plethura of inept owners. But they aren't the ones who REALLY scare me. It's the competent, greedy ones who use people soley to line their own pockets, then throw them away. It's not only the foreign monkeys who get the shaft, but their well-educated and hard working Korean staff as well. |
You got it, bro. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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| If you read a few of Bukowski's posts, I think you will conclude, like I have, that he is just another troll out to get attention. |
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Bukowski
Joined: 29 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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Yata,
You got me  (you're still in the first grade, I see).
Are you going to try and tell me that the "foreigners" are always the victims of their "evil" bosses?
That just isn't the reality of the situation in Korea. For new users of Dave's, I don't think it is helpful to try and paint such a biased picture of Korea.
I can only imagine how it must have been back in the day for those few that knew the earth wasn't flat. Trying to point out the obvious to the lot of you, isn't must different.
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wylies99
Joined: 13 May 2006
Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:40 pm Post subject: |
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Are you going to try and tell me that the "foreigners" are always the victims of their "evil" bosses?
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It happens ALL OF THE TIME- maybe not to you, but it certainly has happened to MANY of us. If you think that makes Korea look bad or it makes teaching in Korea look unattractive to those who may be considering it, well that's too bad. Others should be warned about the NIGHTMARISH situations they could encounter when teaching at BAD hogwans in Korea.
The truth hurts. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:47 pm Post subject: yes |
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I have seen plenty of Koreans get jobs as English teachers in hagwons when they can't speak English.
I am not talking about the teacher who doesn't speak well enough. This is the kind of person who can't speak even a few sentences of English.
I see a lot fo bus drivers that can barely drive, etc.
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It might be a cultural thing, but I doubt a Korean would apply for a job in a field they had no experience in. |
NOT TRUE!! Probably 80% (and I'm being conservative here!) of my students get jobs in fields they aren't trained for. For example: One of my students studied English Lang/Lit and Journalism. He's now working in the budget department! I could go on and on!
That said, Korean companies value "on-the-job" training as much, or more than a degree. Guess they think that if you throw a foreigner in a classroom, it's up to the teacher to figure it out. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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Bukowski are you even in Korea?
I see Korean teachers getting shafted on a daily basis. When ever a boss shafted me I was never alone. Do you think that the majority of posters here are arrogant whiteys who through their weight around? You are setting yourself up for a right shafting.
Do you think that teachers deserve not to be paid or have holiday taken away because their boss said they are 'bad' teachers?
Sure you can find some bad teachers in the freakiest waygook thread but these people are rare. Most teachers here arrive dedicated and motivated but then leave disenchanted and out of pocket. If you never experience this then you are the lucky one and can go home and tell everyone how trustworthy Korean bosses are. |
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