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jellyteecha
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Oh I see I think the real meaning of "Great Dictator", is that Julius Ceaser was a professional and Sadam was not a professional. One mans Great Dictator is another mans not very good at manipulation of the masses type of guy. In other words he slaughtered the wrong people. Therefore he was not a great dictator he was an incompetant dictator. I guess it depends on who is looking on, history is written these days by the guy who has the biggest gun and I guess it was the same before these toys were invented. |
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jellyteecha
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| Don't get me wrong ,I am horrified by people like Saddam but I'm just calling into question that the language used to describe this pig can be almost read in two or more ways. Of course I know what 'BIG' means but out of context in can mean many things. Sound bytes are the curse of the media age . Every quote has to fit within 20-30 seconds so the people who say these things csn be misunderstood. |
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rednblack
Joined: 12 Jun 2006
Location: In a quiet place
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| The rights or wrongs? Speaking from an uneducated perspective. I can't see how the stability of this country has been improved by the invasion, or by the removal of Saddam Hussein. I agree there were grave problems, prior, but the sad truth, it was a functioning county. Now it's just a nightmare. |
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sumfunu
Joined: 07 Dec 2006
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 6:01 pm Post subject: Sadam, a great dictator..... |
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| If you think that the old man was bad ( and he was ), his oldest son Odai, was a pure psychopath. The things that he did would put you off dinner for sure. There is a book available by his former body double( yeah, he was a popular guy ), but I do not remember the title. The second son was marginally better, apparently he liked to corn-hole his bodyguards. I consider it one of the high points of the war in Iraq when they were smoked by an Apache attack.In any event the whole clan can meet up in Hell( if indeed there is such a place and share some stories ). Too much time wasted on a waste of skin. |
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Muramasa blade
Joined: 26 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| jellyteecha wrote: |
| Oh I see I think the real meaning of "Great Dictator", is that Julius Ceaser was a professional and Sadam was not a professional. One mans Great Dictator is another mans not very good at manipulation of the masses type of guy. In other words he slaughtered the wrong people. Therefore he was not a great dictator he was an incompetant dictator. I guess it depends on who is looking on, history is written these days by the guy who has the biggest gun and I guess it was the same before these toys were invented. |
You're oversimplifying. I was responding to the OP's assesment of Saddam as a great dictator. Being a great dictator involves more than sheer brute force. As far as professionalism goes, yes, a good dictator should leave the country in better shape than when he started.
Julius expanded Rome's territories and remodelled/beautified Rome. Augustus was responsible for increased prosperity, peace (Pax Romana) and policies. Napoleon made reforms in education, taxes and administration/law (Napoleonic Code).
Sadam's reign resulted with both himself and his people being villified. His actions will most likely not be remembered in a positive light. There are many factors that resulted in his failure, but I'm not in the mood to go into them at this moment. Suffice it to say that his reach exceeded his grasp, and he remains, at best an amateur. |
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mack the knife
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: standing right behind you...
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Apparently he was hanged today (Sat. 30th). Of course, he was actually whisked away to that island where Curt Cobain, Jim Morrison, Elvis, et al, are passing the time. |
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Tarmangani
Joined: 17 Apr 2006
Location: the Calm
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| I've heard he's already dating Satan. But it won't last long. Satan wants to talk about his feelings and Saddam just wants to F-ck. |
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JeJuJitsu
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: McDonald's
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| Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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RIP Saddam, We hardly knew ye.  |
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tumbleweed_marijane
Joined: 01 Nov 2006
Location: anyang
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| Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:06 am Post subject: |
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RIP
everyone deserves a break! |
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DHC
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Doesen't really matter now. He is dead. |
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: Sadam, a great dictator..... |
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| sumfunu wrote: |
| If you think that the old man was bad ( and he was ), his oldest son Odai, was a pure psychopath. |
Some info on the man :
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/iraq/20030722-1309-obit-odaihussein.html
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BAGHDAD, Iraq � Odai Hussein, the murderous and erratic oldest son of Saddam Hussein, controlled propaganda in Iraq and allegedly oversaw the torture of athletes who failed to perform.
The 39-year-old was third on the list of 55 most-wanted men from the ousted Iraqi regime � only Saddam and younger brother Qusai ranked higher. The three also were on a U.S. list of former leaders who could be tried for war crimes.
Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, commander of the U.S.-led coalition troops in Iraq, said Odai and Qusai were killed Tuesday during a gunbattle with American soldiers in northern Iraq.
As head of the paramilitary Fedayeen Saddam paramilitary unit, Odai helped his father eliminate opponents and exert iron-fisted control over Iraq's 25 million people. The eldest of Saddam's five children, Odai was elected to parliament in 1999 with a reported 99 percent of the vote, but he rarely attended parliament sessions.
Iraqi exiles say Odai murdered at will and tortured with zeal, and routinely ordered his guards to snatch young women off the street so he could rape them. The London-based human-rights group Indict said Odai ordered prisoners to be dropped into acid baths as punishment.
The Caligula-like Odai seemed proud of his reputation and called himself Abu Sarhan, an Arabic term for "wolf."
But his tendency toward erratic brutality even exasperated Saddam, who temporarily banished Odai to Switzerland after the younger Hussein killed one of his father's favorite bodyguards in 1988.
The bodyguard, a young man named Kamel Gegeo, arranged trysts for the Iraqi president � notably with one woman who later became Saddam's second wife. Worried that his father's relationship with the woman could threaten his own position as heir, Odai beat Gegeo to death with a club in full view of guests at a high-society party, according to some reports. Other reports said Odai killed Gegeo with an electric carving knife.
Odai had once been a strong candidate to succeed his father, but he was badly injured in 1996 in an assassination attempt by gunmen who opened fire as he drove his red Porsche through Baghdad. The attack left Odai with a bullet in his spine that forced him to walk with a cane. Younger brother Qusai was instead groomed to succeed Saddam, worsening already uneasy relations between the two brothers.
Odai owned Iraq's most widely circulated daily newspaper, Babil, which he used as a platform for regime propaganda, publishing signed editorials full of bombastic rhetoric. He also oversaw Al-Zawra, a weekly published by the journalists union that he headed, and owned the popular Youth TV.
Much of Odai's notoriety abroad stemmed from his position as head of the National Iraqi Olympic Committee, which was accused of torturing and jailing athletes.
The London-based human rights group Indict said the committee once made a group of track athletes crawl on newly poured asphalt while they were beaten and threw some of them off a bridge. Indict also said Odai ran a special prison for athletes who offended him. The International Olympic Committee in Lausanne, Switzerland, said earlier this year that it was investigating the allegations.
One defector told Indict that jailed soccer players were forced to kick a concrete ball after failing to reach the 1994 World Cup finals. Another defector said athletes were dragged through a gravel pit and then dunked in a sewage tank so infection would set in.
Army officers also were fair game for Odai's outbursts of violence. In 1983, Odai reportedly bashed an army officer unconscious when the man refused to allow Odai to dance with his wife. The officer later died. Odai also shot an army officer who did not salute him.
Things were hardly better on the family front, where relations between Odai and his uncles were especially bad. Odai reportedly divorced the daughter of one uncle, Barzan Ibrahim Hasan, in 1995 after she complained of being beaten. Odai shot and wounded another uncle, Watban Ibrahim Hasan. Both uncles were captured after the war and are in the custody of U.S. coalition forces.
While millions of Iraqis suffered dire poverty, Odai lived a life of fast cars, expensive liquor and easy women.
When U.S. troops captured his mansion in Baghdad, they found a personal zoo with lions and cheetahs, an underground parking garage for his collection of luxury cars, Cuban cigars with his name on the wrapper, and $1 million in fine wines, liquor � and even heroin.
Odai's obsession with sex was evident everywhere: The house was adorned with paintings of naked women and photographs of prostitutes taken off the Internet, complete with handwritten ratings of each.
There were bags and boxes of pills and medicines everywhere � ginseng sexual fortifiers, heartburn medication, the anti-depressant Prozac � and an Accu-Rite HIV Antibodies Screening Test Kit was in Odai's office.
Nearby was a domed house believed to be the residence of Odai's concubines, a bastion of bad taste with statuettes of couples in foreplay, couches with fluffy pillows and a swimming pool with a bar. |
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three-legged dog
Joined: 28 Dec 2006
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| I've heard he's already dating Satan. But it won't last long. Satan wants to talk about his feelings and Saddam just wants to F-ck. |
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jellyteecha
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| That's one gone; plenty more where he came from. |
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SPINOZA
Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul
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| Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: Sadam, a great dictator..... |
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| rocklee wrote: |
| sumfunu wrote: |
| If you think that the old man was bad ( and he was ), his oldest son Odai, was a pure psychopath. |
Some info on the man :
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/world/iraq/20030722-1309-obit-odaihussein.html
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BAGHDAD, Iraq � Odai Hussein, the murderous and erratic oldest son of Saddam Hussein, controlled propaganda in Iraq and allegedly oversaw the torture of athletes who failed to perform.
The 39-year-old was third on the list of 55 most-wanted men from the ousted Iraqi regime � only Saddam and younger brother Qusai ranked higher. The three also were on a U.S. list of former leaders who could be tried for war crimes.
Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, commander of the U.S.-led coalition troops in Iraq, said Odai and Qusai were killed Tuesday during a gunbattle with American soldiers in northern Iraq.
As head of the paramilitary Fedayeen Saddam paramilitary unit, Odai helped his father eliminate opponents and exert iron-fisted control over Iraq's 25 million people. The eldest of Saddam's five children, Odai was elected to parliament in 1999 with a reported 99 percent of the vote, but he rarely attended parliament sessions.
Iraqi exiles say Odai murdered at will and tortured with zeal, and routinely ordered his guards to snatch young women off the street so he could rape them. The London-based human-rights group Indict said Odai ordered prisoners to be dropped into acid baths as punishment.
The Caligula-like Odai seemed proud of his reputation and called himself Abu Sarhan, an Arabic term for "wolf."
But his tendency toward erratic brutality even exasperated Saddam, who temporarily banished Odai to Switzerland after the younger Hussein killed one of his father's favorite bodyguards in 1988.
The bodyguard, a young man named Kamel Gegeo, arranged trysts for the Iraqi president � notably with one woman who later became Saddam's second wife. Worried that his father's relationship with the woman could threaten his own position as heir, Odai beat Gegeo to death with a club in full view of guests at a high-society party, according to some reports. Other reports said Odai killed Gegeo with an electric carving knife.
Odai had once been a strong candidate to succeed his father, but he was badly injured in 1996 in an assassination attempt by gunmen who opened fire as he drove his red Porsche through Baghdad. The attack left Odai with a bullet in his spine that forced him to walk with a cane. Younger brother Qusai was instead groomed to succeed Saddam, worsening already uneasy relations between the two brothers.
Odai owned Iraq's most widely circulated daily newspaper, Babil, which he used as a platform for regime propaganda, publishing signed editorials full of bombastic rhetoric. He also oversaw Al-Zawra, a weekly published by the journalists union that he headed, and owned the popular Youth TV.
Much of Odai's notoriety abroad stemmed from his position as head of the National Iraqi Olympic Committee, which was accused of torturing and jailing athletes.
The London-based human rights group Indict said the committee once made a group of track athletes crawl on newly poured asphalt while they were beaten and threw some of them off a bridge. Indict also said Odai ran a special prison for athletes who offended him. The International Olympic Committee in Lausanne, Switzerland, said earlier this year that it was investigating the allegations.
One defector told Indict that jailed soccer players were forced to kick a concrete ball after failing to reach the 1994 World Cup finals. Another defector said athletes were dragged through a gravel pit and then dunked in a sewage tank so infection would set in.
Army officers also were fair game for Odai's outbursts of violence. In 1983, Odai reportedly bashed an army officer unconscious when the man refused to allow Odai to dance with his wife. The officer later died. Odai also shot an army officer who did not salute him.
Things were hardly better on the family front, where relations between Odai and his uncles were especially bad. Odai reportedly divorced the daughter of one uncle, Barzan Ibrahim Hasan, in 1995 after she complained of being beaten. Odai shot and wounded another uncle, Watban Ibrahim Hasan. Both uncles were captured after the war and are in the custody of U.S. coalition forces.
While millions of Iraqis suffered dire poverty, Odai lived a life of fast cars, expensive liquor and easy women.
When U.S. troops captured his mansion in Baghdad, they found a personal zoo with lions and cheetahs, an underground parking garage for his collection of luxury cars, Cuban cigars with his name on the wrapper, and $1 million in fine wines, liquor � and even heroin.
Odai's obsession with sex was evident everywhere: The house was adorned with paintings of naked women and photographs of prostitutes taken off the Internet, complete with handwritten ratings of each.
There were bags and boxes of pills and medicines everywhere � ginseng sexual fortifiers, heartburn medication, the anti-depressant Prozac � and an Accu-Rite HIV Antibodies Screening Test Kit was in Odai's office.
Nearby was a domed house believed to be the residence of Odai's concubines, a bastion of bad taste with statuettes of couples in foreplay, couches with fluffy pillows and a swimming pool with a bar. |
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Some more on Odai Hussein here: http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/insiodde.htm
He was absolute filth, but, of course, fascinating at the same time. Evil, sick ba5tards are just interesting unfortunately.
One of Saddam's daughters (he has two right?), Rana, looks cute on this wiki photo:
I'd do her. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:16 am Post subject: |
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Odai was worse than Saddam.
often seems that the spoiled kid who grows up with everything turns out to be the worst.
Saddam was bad, but he'd actually been victimised and suffered as a child. Odai had grown up wanting for nothing... |
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