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Is there a major lack of foreign females in Korea?
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:19 am    Post subject: Is there a major lack of foreign females in Korea? Reply with quote

It seems like I hear of schools looking for females and having a hard time finding a female. I take it, far less females want to come to Korean than the males. Do you think that's true? And if it is true, do you think it has to do with some women being wary of going to a country alone where they don't speak the language and don't know what to expect and are less likely to be interested in a Korean chap? Just some thoughts. I do see some females in Korea, but I wonder what the ratio is to males.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think there is any shortage of foreign females in Korea. They outnumber the guys at my company 3:2. There is just more of a demand for female teachers, for reasons I'm not quite sure of. Koreans tend to think of teaching as women's work, especially for children.

And, I don't think women are more afraid to adventure off on our own. I've done it several times. There are endless adventurous, independent, capable foreign women roaming around this country. If there are less women yearning to come to Korea, it's probably because we are just less desperate to try to bang (or marry) Korean chics, which seems to be a major draw for many of the single guys who come here, judging by the endless posts on this board relating to the subject.
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oneofthesarahs



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that Korean mothers in general tend to feel more comfortable with female teachers than male teachers. One of the moms at my school is paying the big bucks to have one-on-one English lessons for her kid. She's learning the same things as the other classes her level, but she gets individual attention. One of her stipulations: female teacher only. I guess the thought of having her young daughter being alone with a male teacher creeped her out.

Even in America, there's sort of the idea of the inappropriate male teacher. Some people just find it creepy to have a young guy teaching pre-teen/teenage girls (despite the Mary Kay Letourneaus out there, I guess). I assume there might be a similar mentality in Korea?
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oneofthesarahs wrote:
Even in America, there's sort of the idea of the inappropriate male teacher. Some people just find it creepy to have a young guy teaching pre-teen/teenage girls (despite the Mary Kay Letourneaus out there, I guess). I assume there might be a similar mentality in Korea?

I heard about a survey a couple of years ago, where they questioned male teachers entering teaching and those who were already teaching upper level grades (high school, etc.), whether they ever consider teaching younger students. Most said no. When asked why, they said that despite the fact that they might prefer to teach younger students and that they felt they had something to offer younger students, they felt that the social stigma of a man teaching young children was just too much for them to take. The sad part in all of this is that there are many young boys who could benefit at an early age from having a good male role model that a male teacher could play.

Sorry, that was a bit off-topic.
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jinks



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand that as many women as men come to Korea to teach English, but men are more likely to stay for subsequent teaching contracts than women. If you look around, there sems to be more foreign men with Korean women than vice versa; I know there are notable exceptions, but it does seem to be the rule.
There is perhaps a more even ratio of male and female newbies, but males are more likely to stick around.
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Paji eh Wong



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A friend of mine did a survey of native teachers in Korea last year. 65% male, 35% female, n = 80. Maybe not representative, but not out of the ballpark either.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

oneofthesarahs wrote:
I think that Korean mothers in general tend to feel more comfortable with female teachers than male teachers.



I agree. I got "let go" once after only one month, no complaints about my teaching or anything, or that's what the boss said, and he was a nice old gent. The complaint was my gender, and boss felt sorry but had to comply with the mothers/customers. I liked working there so it was a drag to leave. Then again, I did not even have housing, just 300,000 won allowance and staying at a crappy motel.
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It's weird hearing about female teachers in America having sex with boys aged 12-17. Oprah had a show on the subject, pointing out what outrage there would be if the show were about male teachers banging girls in middle/high school. As it was, some people were pretty pissed off about the female teachers, but you got the sense the society response is just not as heavy as it is for men. One woman barely did any prison time, and just got like 1000 hours of community service and required to get counselling. She was remorseful though, so I guess that helped her 'get off' easier than some others might.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple weeks (months?) ago someone asked if Canadians seemed over-represented here. Someone else came out with some E2 statistics. No amount of searching or Googling has made me find the thread, but I seem to recall the statistics being split out by both nationality and gender.

Does anyone else remember this thread?

I seem to remember there were more men here. I know more male foreigners here than female ones.

As for women being afraid or less adventuresome, well, I'll just quote Jan Haag. Yes, yes, she mentions America, but I think it applies to many, many countries.

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For traveling alone, though it is the only way to go, is not something anyone, especially women, do easily. No matter how much you believe in it, no matter how much experience you have had already doing it, it isn't easy to take that first step of the thousand miles -- all by yourself. We've been trained otherwise.

The American media, as well as your best friend, warns you against taking a walk around your local woods alone, let alone a stroll around the world. So, you're fighting not only your own anxiety, but the anxiety induced stress of our stay-at-home-lock-your-doors-and-forget-your-dreams society, our if-you-must-travel-travel-with-the-herd culture.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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65% male, 35% female, n = 80. Maybe not representative, but not out of the ballpark either.


That even seems high to me. I went to the Kyeonggi-do thing in Suwon this week. I would have guessed it was closer to 75-80% male.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 4:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paji eh Wong wrote:
A friend of mine did a survey of native teachers in Korea last year. 65% male, 35% female, n = 80. Maybe not representative, but not out of the ballpark either.



I would tend to believe that. I know there are those who will say women will be just as likely to come as men, but women generally, I believe, are more conservative than men when taking decisions. Men generally engage in more risky behaviour, and it can be a bit risky and tricky going off to a country where people don't speak your language, and you have no idea what to expect. Also, foreign men, as you would, be more inclined to date an Asian female than a foreign female would be to date a Korean male. A male would be more likely to renew and stay in Korea if he has a Korean girl and a female wouldn't want to stay here for years without a significant other. If she is here with a spouse, it is different.
I am confident if we did a survey, there would be more males here.
Now, if this was a public school in North America, it would be reversed.
When I walk the streets, I see far more males. And believe me, we males do pay attention to women we see Korean or foreign.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 2:57 am    Post subject: nature Reply with quote

i think it may have to do with the whole "females being nesters, men being hunters" thing. you more than likely will always see a male travelling alone than a female. females always tend to want to be paired up with someone, especially like making a huge life change to an overseas country. i do like the chicks here that do take that chance and come here and work though.

i would be an awesome idea if that survey was expanded to say, 1000 people? i'm also very interested in the ratio of canadian/american/bristish/aussie/kiwi/south african teachers here.

hey, i'm up for the challenge. surveys are awesome!!
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jinju



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

easy explanation. Girls are wimps who are afraid to leave home alone. With a boyfriend they might come, alone, thats a rarity.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 5:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I mentioned, there are twice as many foreign females teaching at my company as foreign males. With the exception of me, all of the women are single and many have been here more than 3 years.

Maybe they just don't hang out at the same places where you "see" people, like the bars in Itaewon. Most of them have active social lives that don't revolve around drking. I've traveled three continents alone, and would say on average I meet as many single (western) women traveling as men. I think all of your assumptions are bunk. It is possible that Western women may settle down here less (meaning marry Koreans), but I have no real data to back that up.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jmbran11 wrote:
As I mentioned, there are twice as many foreign females teaching at my company as foreign males. With the exception of me, all of the women are single and many have been here more than 3 years.

Maybe they just don't hang out at the same places where you "see" people, like the bars in Itaewon. Most of them have active social lives that don't revolve around drking. I've traveled three continents alone, and would say on average I meet as many single (western) women traveling as men. I think all of your assumptions are bunk. It is possible that Western women may settle down here less (meaning marry Koreans), but I have no real data to back that up.


If that was true, and you may be right, then why are recruiters having a harder time (at least the ones I have talked to) in finding females versus finding males? When I once (I shouldn't have) tried to find a female for a former hagwon, I had far more male applicants. So going based on what my recruiter friend said and experience, and I think the recruiter's experience is more valid than mine or yours because their job is to find teachers. I do see plenty of females, but I see more males, and I don't hang around Itaewon much. I think there is a slight difference.

Yes, some hagwons have more females than males. It can happen. There are quite a lot of females. We are just saying that it is probably more like 60/40. Plenty of women do travel abroad. However, women tend to be more conservative in their decision making, I would imagine, while males engage in more risky behaviour. That is one reason why car insurance is more expensive for young males as compared to young females. The insurance people make studies. I think, by extension, less would want to take a risk of going to a foreign country where there are so many unknowns. Plenty would but less would. We are more prone to engage in risky behaviour.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 5:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish there were about 3.5 million more of them here.
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