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jajdude
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 Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:50 am Post subject: Teacher-student sex OK, says prof |
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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47374
UK study finds criminalization of relationships wrong
Posted: November 12, 2005
1:15 p.m. Eastern
� 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
Is another taboo about to be broken?
A British professor who has been studying pupil-teacher relationships for 25 years concludes sexual contact between them should not necessarily be criminal conduct – in fact, she says, they can be positive experiences.
Prof. Pat Sikes
Pat Sikes of the University of Sheffield was seduced by her history teacher at the age of 14 and later became his wife. Now she has written "Scandalous Stories and Dangerous Liaisons: When Female Pupils and Male Teachers Fall In Love."
It contends classroom affairs are more common than is usually imagined. She writes that expressions of sexuality are part of the everyday exchanges of school life.
"And nowhere more so, perhaps, than in the seductive nature and 'erotic charge' often characteristic of 'good' teaching which provokes a positive and exciting response," she writes.
Sikes met her own husband, David, in 1970 on his first day as a teacher at age 22.
"It wasn't until two years later, on the evening he left to take up a post elsewhere, that we declared our feelings. I returned after the summer vacation as his girlfriend," she said.
The couple finally married when Sikes was in her 30s.
Sikes condemned "exploitative" relationships and said her study was based on stories volunteered by those who had no regrets. |
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alffy
Joined: 25 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:15 am Post subject: |
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Wow, that last line says it all:
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| Sikes condemned "exploitative" relationships |
Shouldn't any relationship between a teacher and student be considered "exploitative?" It all has to do with a power relationship, with the teacher in the position of powerful "exploiter."
Sounds like ol' Prof Sikes is still trying to sort out or excuse her relationship with her "exploitive" husband all these years later- COME ON, a 22 year old teacher developing FEELINGS for a 14 year old student? Even waiting 2 years until she was 16 did not make it right.
Wonder how a book written by a man that at 22 seduced a 14 year old girl would go over? But when later written by that 14 year old it gets the veneer of academia? |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 10:20 am Post subject: Re: Teacher-student sex OK, says prof |
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| jajdude wrote: |
| Pat Sikes of the University of Sheffield was seduced by her history teacher at the age of 14 and later became his wife. |
I guess Sheffield is England's southern US, then? |
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jajdude
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| Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 11:24 am Post subject: |
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| alffy wrote: |
Wonder how a book written by a man that at 22 seduced a 14 year old girl would go over? But when later written by that 14 year old it gets the veneer of academia? |
Well said. |
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buymybook
Joined: 21 Feb 2005
Location: Telluride
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| Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: Teacher-student sex OK, says prof |
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| jajdude wrote: |
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47374
UK study finds criminalization of relationships wrong
Posted: November 12, 2005
1:15 p.m. Eastern
� 2005 WorldNetDaily.com
Is another taboo about to be broken?
A British professor who has been studying pupil-teacher relationships for 25 years concludes sexual contact between them should not necessarily be criminal conduct � in fact, she says, they can be positive experiences.
Prof. Pat Sikes
Pat Sikes of the University of Sheffield was seduced by her history teacher at the age of 14 and later became his wife. Now she has written "Scandalous Stories and Dangerous Liaisons: When Female Pupils and Male Teachers Fall In Love."
It contends classroom affairs are more common than is usually imagined. She writes that expressions of sexuality are part of the everyday exchanges of school life.
"And nowhere more so, perhaps, than in the seductive nature and 'erotic charge' often characteristic of 'good' teaching which provokes a positive and exciting response," she writes.
Sikes met her own husband, David, in 1970 on his first day as a teacher at age 22.
"It wasn't until two years later, on the evening he left to take up a post elsewhere, that we declared our feelings. I returned after the summer vacation as his girlfriend," she said.
The couple finally married when Sikes was in her 30s.
Sikes condemned "exploitative" relationships and said her study was based on stories volunteered by those who had no regrets. |
I saw this student of mine in the elevator yesterday I would really like to get to know better.
I've usually been against co-worker relationships(even though I had one). Since I'm being told from my employer that I shouldn't have relations with students and the fact that I'm lonely, I think I will? What are they going to do fire me? What the heck!
I'll have to get a Korean credit card and purchase it over the Internet, then give it as a gift to my student. |
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jangsalgida
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| alffy wrote: |
Wow, that last line says it all:
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| Sikes condemned "exploitative" relationships |
Shouldn't any relationship between a teacher and student be considered "exploitative?" It all has to do with a power relationship, with the teacher in the position of powerful "exploiter."
Sounds like ol' Prof Sikes is still trying to sort out or excuse her relationship with her "exploitive" husband all these years later- COME ON, a 22 year old teacher developing FEELINGS for a 14 year old student? Even waiting 2 years until she was 16 did not make it right.
Wonder how a book written by a man that at 22 seduced a 14 year old girl would go over? But when later written by that 14 year old it gets the veneer of academia? |
No Teacher power in the eyes of my friend.
If the student wants to go to the next level, to avoid negative student comments my friend will "pass" the student.
Only negative student comments are considered in Teacher evaluations/raise determinations.
My friend is no power-tripper now. What the student wants, the student gets. In the past one student begged(placing hands together in the praying position) my friend to "pass" her.
My friend didn't, the student ragged the Teacher saying the Teacher shouted in class(one-on-one) etc...etc...etc...Thou shalt not deny a student beggar any longer! |
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thebum
Joined: 09 Jan 2005
Location: North Korea
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| Posted: Sat Dec 30, 2006 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| maybe i should become a teacher. hmm.. |
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mnhnhyouh
Joined: 21 Nov 2006
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Very illegal in Australian schools. But the parents one of my young (12 years old) female maths students fell in love when her dad was the math teacher of her mother.
Now imagine being the daughters math teacher on parent teacher night!!!
I just pretended I knew nothing.
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Roch
Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 1:49 am Post subject: Re: Teacher-student sex OK, says prof |
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| twg wrote: |
| jajdude wrote: |
| Pat Sikes of the University of Sheffield was seduced by her history teacher at the age of 14 and later became his wife. |
I guess Sheffield is England's southern US, then? |
More like, Sheffield is like Canada's Atlantic Provinces or any other place in Canada outside of the major urban centres in the other provinces. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Whether one thinks it's appropriate or not it happens in academic worldwide every day.
Bet your last bowl of kimchee it goes on here, albeit almost entirely male professor to female student. And in mainland China, too. It's one step in popularity below having a kept woman there these days.
But remember the East Asian adage: we are still morally superior to Westerners!
Note to all:
What I demand to know is where all these oversexed young female teachers were when I was in middle school decades ago?  |
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Moldy Rutabaga
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| What I demand to know is where all these oversexed young female teachers were when I was in middle school decades ago? |
Indeed. Life's not fair.  Well, maybe not when I was thirteen, but at least I could have had a naughty professor!
Ken:> |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| alffy wrote: |
Sounds like ol' Prof Sikes is still trying to sort out or excuse her relationship with her "exploitive" husband all these years later- COME ON, a 22 year old teacher developing FEELINGS for a 14 year old student? Even waiting 2 years until she was 16 did not make it right.
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A well developed 14 year old girl is almost an adult, so it's not surprising that a young 22 year old might find her attractive. A hundred years earlier and she would have been of marriagable age.
You can't stop people 'developing feelings' for each other. It's how they act on the feelings that counts. It wasn't until she reached 16 that they even 'declared' their feelings - and by then it was perfectly legal. 16 is the age of consent in Britain. So I can't see any problem. And who never had a crush on their teacher when they were 14? |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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| alffy wrote: |
Sounds like ol' Prof Sikes is still trying to sort out or excuse her relationship with her "exploitive" husband all these years later- COME ON, a 22 year old teacher developing FEELINGS for a 14 year old student? Even waiting 2 years until she was 16 did not make it right.
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A well developed 14 year old girl is almost an adult, so it's not surprising that a young 22 year old might find her attractive. A hundred years earlier and she would have been of marriagable age.
You can't stop people 'developing feelings' for each other. It's how they act on the feelings that counts. It wasn't until she reached 16 that they even 'declared' their feelings - and by then it was perfectly legal. 16 is the age of consent in Britain. So I can't see any problem. And who never had a crush on their teacher when they were 14? |
A 300 years ago, she would have been an old maid. |
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Moldy Rutabaga
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea
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True.. in the Shakespeare play, Juliet's nurse is fretting that she's 14 already and not married.. a ball is planned to find her a potential spouse because daylight's burning!
Ken:> |
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