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Hollywoodaction

Joined: 02 Jul 2004

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 8:48 pm Post subject:

Adventurer wrote:

Ancient Judaism practiced capital punishment. This is a form of capital punishment, is it not? I consider it backward. The difference is Jews have clearly moved away from things like stoning centuries and centuries ago.
The Muslim population has not moved away from it in a more direct way though no Arab countries practice stoning. Most Arab countries do not practice cutting the hands. There is only one Arabic state that does that, and it is Kuwait. So only one Arabic country out of 22 chooses to follow that. So in a sense, they don't believe they have to follow that ordinance. So let us not blow this out of proportion. However, it is a barbaric practice and people need to clearly break away from that.

Hey, but isn't capital punishment still practiced in the US? What about the story of the guy in California being sent to life in prison for stealing a slice of pizza because it was his third strike?

Qinella

Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:01 pm Post subject:

Adventurer wrote:

Exactly. The Torah calls for barbarism like this, but people don't actually practice it anymore. The muslims, however, seem unable to move forward into the 21st century.

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The Muslim population has not moved away from it in a more direct way though no Arab countries practice stoning. Most Arab countries do not practice cutting the hands. There is only one Arabic state that does that, and it is Kuwait.

So only one Arabic country out of 22 chooses to follow that. So in a sense, they don't believe they have to follow that ordinance. So let us not blow this out of proportion. However, it is a barbaric practice and people need to clearly break away from that.

Also Saudi Arabia. But why does it matter if the country is Arabic? The hand amputation has been reported in Nigeria, Sudan, and most recently, Indonesia, as well. This is the influence of Shari'a law.

Qinella

Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:03 pm Post subject:

Hollywoodaction wrote:

Adventurer wrote:

Hey, but isn't capital punishment still practiced in the US? What about the story of the guy in California being sent to life in prison for stealing a slice of pizza because it was his third strike?

What exactly is your point? Because the US has laws that should be (and are being) opposed, it justifies hacking off people's hands and feet in the most brutal way imaginable?

twg

Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:30 pm Post subject:

If I were to take a guess at it, I'd assume he was saying that you should be worrying about the fires in your own backyard before worrying about the fires in other's.

Boodleheimer

Joined: 10 Mar 2006
Location: working undercover for the Man

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:33 pm Post subject:

Islam is about 1500 years old. when Christianity was that age, i believe the Spanish Inquisition was in full swing, there were witch burnings, some forms of pogroms, and other horrors. Jews used what we would now call "terrorist tactics" when they were waging war against the Romans. and then there's that 'eye for an eye' bit. Islam is not unique in its brutality, but i certainly hope it's something that it outgrows with time.

Hollywoodaction

Joined: 02 Jul 2004

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:50 pm Post subject:

Qinella wrote:

Hollywoodaction wrote:

Adventurer wrote:

Hey, but isn't capital punishment still practiced in the US? What about the story of the guy in California being sent to life in prison for stealing a slice of pizza because it was his third strike?

What exactly is your point? Because the US has laws that should be (and are being) opposed, it justifies hacking off people's hands and feet in the most brutal way imaginable?

No, my point is that you're naive if you believe that the electric chair and lethal injection aren't violent and painful. Sending a man to prison for life because he commited 3 crimes, some as little as stealing food, is no less an injustice than cutting his hand off.

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Adventurer

Joined: 28 Jan 2006

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:48 pm Post subject:

Qinella wrote:

Hollywoodaction wrote:

Adventurer wrote:

Hey, but isn't capital punishment still practiced in the US? What about the story of the guy in California being sent to life in prison for stealing a slice of pizza because it was his third strike?

What exactly is your point? Because the US has laws that should be (and are being) opposed, it justifies hacking off people's hands and feet in the most brutal way imaginable?

My point is that though capital punishment is on the books i.e. in the Bible (TORAH/TANACH) and not practiced. In most Muslim states, it is practiced. They do not do it the vast majority of the 22 Arab states and do not do it in Turkey. Turkey also abolished the death penalty. Have they disavowed themselves in a direct way beyond not practicing in their countries? No, they have not. Many religious Protestants in the United States believe in capital punishment. The Saudi Arabians who are the only ones to practice of the 22 Arab states unless Sudan also does it of cutting a person's hands believes that cutting someone's hands is a deterrent. It may be a detterent, but it is definitely inhumane. I made an error earlier when I said Kuwait practiced it. I meant Saudi Arabia.

Considering how the majority in the U.S. support the death penalty despite the cruelty of lethal injections (doctors refuse to take part in many cases), it is hard to pontificate regarding the behaviour of Muslims in this regard. If a Catholic who does not believe in the practice, like the Pope, makes that criticism it is another matter. The fact that this practice was far more common in the past in the Arab world should be
highlighted when lobbing this criticism. Cutting hands is horrible, no doubt. But let us not forget that too many Americans think it is religiously permissible to practice capital punishment which can be quite cruel.

May 2006 Gallup Poll shows death penalty support in the United States at 65%, down from the 74% approval a year earlier. Despite overwhelming anti-death penalty media saturation, 51% believe that the death penalty is not imposed often enough; 60% believe that the death penalty is applied fairly, and when given a choice to name the better penalty for murder, "life imprisonment with absolutely no possibility of parole� is preferred over the death penalty 48% to 47%.

http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/timeline.htm

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SPINOZA

Joined: 10 Jun 2005
Location: $eoul

Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 10:53 pm Post subject:

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Roch

Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 1:15 am Post subject:

blaseblasphemener wrote:

Yes, Islam is a peaceful religion, and the Koran is a peaceful book :?

and Islam treats women with the utmost respect :? :?

and women want to have their faces covered :? :? :?

I wonder if a jihad can be declared on a website? or on a poster on a website? :shock:

Question to those in-the-know:

While the middle east has dominated by the west, and Israel, for the last century, while they lost palestine, got invaded, got beat down, got hit by multiple earthquakes, etc. and had hundreds if not thousands die during the hajj, was that Allah's will being done? What, was Allah asleep? Was he on vacation? Was he off with his 89 virgins? Please explain how the Mullah's explain this, anyone.

Word.

JLarter

Joined: 17 Apr 2006

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 1:40 am Post subject:

You shouldn't be stealing then should you!!!! I guess the crime rate in these places is reduced. Pretty good punishment if you ask me.

Qinella

Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 1:44 am Post subject:

Hollywoodaction wrote:

Qinella wrote:

Hollywoodaction wrote:

Adventurer wrote:

Hey, but isn't capital punishment still practiced in the US? What about the story of the guy in California being sent to life in prison for stealing a slice of pizza because it was his third strike?

What exactly is your point? Because the US has laws that should be (and are being) opposed, it justifies hacking off people's hands and feet in the most brutal way imaginable?

No, my point is that you're naive if you believe that the electric chair and lethal injection aren't violent and painful.

Hey dumbass, where did I ever say that?

Feel free to admit your mistake now, and agree that two wrongs do not make a right.

Just because I point out the shari'a practice of hand amputation in no way means I approve of everything my home country does. God, talk about naive..
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Qinella

Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 1:48 am Post subject:

Adventurer wrote:

Qinella wrote:

Hollywoodaction wrote:

Adventurer wrote:

Hey, but isn't capital punishment still practiced in the US? What about the story of the guy in California being sent to life in prison for stealing a slice of pizza because it was his third strike?

What exactly is your point? Because the US has laws that should be (and are being) opposed, it justifies hacking off people's hands and feet in the most brutal way imaginable?

My point is that

Are you Hollywoodaction? I'm very confused about what you meant by that. I did make a post directed at you earlier, but you decided to go off on a tangent instead.

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though capital punishment is on the books i.e. in the Bible (TORAH/TANACH) and not practiced. In most Muslim states, it is practiced. They do not do it the vast majority of the 22 Arab states and do not do it in Turkey. Turkey also abolished the death penalty. Have they disavowed themselves in a direct way beyond not practicing in their countries? No, they have not. Many religious Protestants in the United States believe in capital punishment. The Saudi Arabians who are the only ones to practice of the 22 Arab states unless Sudan also does it of cutting a person's hands believes that cutting someone's hands is a deterrent. It may be a detterent, but it is definitely inhumane.

Considering how the majority in the U.S. support the death penalty despite the cruelty of lethal injections (doctors refuse to take part in many cases), it is hard to pontificate regarding the behaviour of Muslims in this regard. If a Catholic who does not believe in the practice, like the Pope, makes that criticism it is another matter. The fact that this practice was far more common in the past in the Arab world should be
highlighted when lobbing this criticism. Cutting hands is horrible, no doubt. But let us not forget that too many Americans think it is religiously permissible to practice capital punishment which can be quite cruel.

May 2006 Gallup Poll shows death penalty support in the United States at 65%, down from the 74% approval a year earlier. Despite overwhelming anti-death penalty media saturation, 51% believe that the death penalty is not imposed often enough; 60% believe that the death penalty is applied fairly, and when given a choice to name the better penalty for murder, "life imprisonment with absolutely no possibility of parole� is preferred over the death penalty 48% to 47%.

http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/timeline.htm

Totally and completely irrelevant. Maybe you and Hollywoodaction are the same person, since you seem to both use the same logic.

Please note the title of this thread. It's not entitled 'Brutality Around the World'. What is it in you two that compels you to produce this knee-jerk reaction when you see criticism of Islam?

Yeesh..

Qinella

Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 1:53 am Post subject:

JLarter wrote:

You shouldn't be stealing then should you!!!!
I guess the crime rate in these places is reduced. Pretty good punishment if you ask me.

This kind of comment I would expect from an idealistic 8-year-old, not an adult. You should well know that the motivation for theft are not purely greed, and that punishment rarely deters crime. To quote a research article done by sociologist Bradley R. E. Wright of the Univ. of Connecticut:

Society�s efforts to deter crime with punishment may be ineffective because those individuals most prone to commit crime often act impulsively, with little thought for the future, and so they may be unmoved by the threat of later punishment. Deterrence messages they receive, therefore, may fall on deaf ears.

I know, I know.. research shmesearch.

Roch

Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:00 am Post subject:

KWhitehead wrote:

Islam is about 1500 years old. when Christianity was that age, i believe the Spanish Inquisition was in full swing, there were witch burnings, some forms of pogroms, and other horrors. Jews used what we would now call "terrorist tactics" when they were waging war against the Romans. and then there's that 'eye for an eye' bit.

Islam is not unique in its brutality, but i certainly hope it's something that it outgrows with time.

You're from Canada, eh?

Roch

Joined: 24 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul

Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:07 am Post subject:

twg wrote:

If I were to take a guess at it, I'd assume he was saying that you should be worrying about the fires in your own backyard before worrying about the fires in other's.

Typical N.S.C.A.D. stuff from an Anti-U.S.A. type.

Sorry, eh.

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