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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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 Posted: Sun Dec 31, 2006 9:14 am Post subject: |
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Saddam taunted before death
Saddam, the noose around his neck, appears to smile and shoot back: "Is this what you call manhood?"
Another onlooker, despite pleas from another for witnesses to observe the proprieties, yells: "Go to hell!" and Saddam, seemingly accusing his enemies of destroying the nation he once led, replies: "The hell that is Iraq?"
The sound was muffled and at times indistinct, leading some who initially heard low-quality versions of the video to conclude Saddam had made rather different comments.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/31122006/325/fallen-tyrant-taunted-saddam-video.html |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:27 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
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I didn't like the guy. He was a mass murder who committed genocide.
However, he was brought into powers by his creators outside of Iraq and they helped destroy him. It was wrong of the U.S. to go against Abdel Karim Kassem and put the Ba'athists in power. The Kurds and others suffered because of it and then a mess was created in which about 3,000 American soldiers have died. I didn't enjoy watching a noose over him anymore than over any man, but he lived by the sword, and he died by it. |
US put the Bathists in power?  |
Yes, the US put the Ba'athists in power in 1968. They were behind the deposing of General Abdel Karim Qassim. They were also quite pleased, after the coup, when Iraqi communists were getting massacred by the new government. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:31 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
Saddam taunted before death
Saddam, the noose around his neck, appears to smile and shoot back: "Is this what you call manhood?"
Another onlooker, despite pleas from another for witnesses to observe the proprieties, yells: "Go to hell!" and Saddam, seemingly accusing his enemies of destroying the nation he once led, replies: "The hell that is Iraq?"
The sound was muffled and at times indistinct, leading some who initially heard low-quality versions of the video to conclude Saddam had made rather different comments.
Well, some people in the West feel the execution was bungled because the taunting won't go over well even with Sunnis who weren't Saddam Hussein fans because it would be viewed as a political attack on their community. I think the government should have handled that better.
If I believed in the death penalty, I would say Saddam Hussein merited it. Anyway, Saddam cherished Babylonian history, and
Hammurapi/Hammurabi said "an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth".
He got a punishment his ancient ancestors that he was proud of would have given. In the end, he turned to praying in a traditional manner when he was meeting his fate. I felt sorry for his pain, but he committed genocide. Ceaucescu in Romania also brought his fate to his own door.
They made their bed. They had to pay the piper.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/31122006/325/fallen-tyrant-taunted-saddam-video.html |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
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I didn't like the guy. He was a mass murder who committed genocide.
However, he was brought into powers by his creators outside of Iraq and they helped destroy him. It was wrong of the U.S. to go against Abdel Karim Kassem and put the Ba'athists in power. The Kurds and others suffered because of it and then a mess was created in which about 3,000 American soldiers have died. I didn't enjoy watching a noose over him anymore than over any man, but he lived by the sword, and he died by it. |
US put the Bathists in power? |
Yes, the US put the Ba'athists in power in 1968. They were behind the deposing of General Abdel Karim Qassim. They were also quite pleased, after the coup, when Iraqi communists were getting massacred by the new government. |
That is more or less correct. Though "helped" rather than "put" is a better description.
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According to Western scholars, as well as Iraqi refugees and a British human rights organization, the 1963 coup was accompanied by a bloodbath. Using lists of suspected Communists and other leftists provided by the C.I.A., the Baathists systematically murdered untold numbers of Iraq's educated elite -- killings in which Saddam Hussein himself is said to have participated. No one knows the exact toll, but accounts agree that the victims included hundreds of doctors, teachers, technicians, lawyers and other professionals as well as military and political figures.
The United States also sent arms to the new regime, weapons later used against the same Kurdish insurgents the United States had backed against Kassem and then abandoned. Soon, Western corporations like Mobil, Bechtel and British Petroleum were doing business with Baghdad -- for American firms, their first major involvement in Iraq.
But it wasn't long before there was infighting among Iraq's new rulers. In 1968, after yet another coup, the Baathist general Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr seized control, bringing to the threshold of power his kinsman, Saddam Hussein. Again, this coup, amid more factional violence, came with C.I.A. backing. Serving on the staff of the National Security Council under Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon in the late 1960's, I often heard C.I.A. officers -- including Archibald Roosevelt, grandson of Theodore Roosevelt and a ranking C.I.A. official for the Near East and Africa at the time -- speak openly about their close relations with the Iraqi Baathists. |
http://readthese.blogspot.com/2003_12_15_readthese_archive.html
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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HEY GUYS!! I got a sweet idea. Can anyone here do video editing?
You could make a parody of the Hussein execution.
Put a hangman symbol nearly complete in upper righr corner from when Saddam has the noose on.
Then dub voices in as follows:
Saddam: the letter A????
Exeuctioner: No Saddam, no A.
<then the logo in the upper right corner draws in another piece. One more and it's hangman>
Saddam: I want to guess the word. Is it "Die US SCUM"
Exeuctioner: No Saddam
<The hangman logo completes and the gallows open, killing Saddam> |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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| Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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I think that is bad idea, he may have been evil, but he is now dead. Isn't that enough?
Hopefully you were joking, but I kind of doubt it.
As I said in another thread, I won't watch the clip of his execution. I did see the very brief video they had on CNN of them putting the nuce around his neck and then showing him dead afterward.
Personally I think they should have let him rot in prisons for the rest of his life rather then making him a martyer. Why give people more reasons to be violent? |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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Personally I think they should have let him rot in prisons for the rest of his life rather then making him a martyer. Why give people more reasons to be violent? |
The problem with letting him rot in prison is that there is always the potential that he could escape, be broken out or even set free by his jailors ala Napoleon. Just think of the havoc if Saddam had ever been free to roam around Iraq again. |
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Bondrock
Joined: 08 Oct 2006
Location: ^_^
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| you claim to believe in God. so if God created the world, then God must have created monsters... |
no. Evil entered the world..through rebellion against god.
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| which brings me to my next question... why did God create Satan. |
A fallen angel...rebelled against God.God did not create him bad, he bacame so later.
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| also, why did God allow Saddam to exist? |
All people are less than perfect. its just a matter of degree.
The earth and people living on it are affected by the fall. Evil entered through the wrong choices of mankind...not the fault of God.
if you're saying God should have programmed people to be obedient robots, then you're denying the concept of sacred free will. freedom to make choices. |
getting off topic again... sorry
Junior?
According to Christian Belief god is omniscient (all knowing)
also, God is omnipotent (all powerful)
so when God created the angel that became Satan, was God making a mistake?? can god make mistakes? also, he made adam and eve, but they also screwed up, why didnt god foresee that...?
or was God creating a being (Satan) that would cause humans to choose another path (i.e. free will) what Junior calls "sacred free will".
why would a god so powerful create this scenario?
is God a being that enjoys watching suffering?
also, how about the first commandment?
(check Exodus chapter 20:3)
is God so jealous that s/he cannot allow some competition?
in all honesty, if you could prove beyond doubt that this "god" did exist, i would choose to disown h/she ...it... whatever....
i would rather live in purgatory than bow down to some egotistical, human attributed, god-like pseudo-being.
i am a moral being. i choose to be this way. i dont need the threat of damnation to make me a decent person; knowing that it ends when i die makes me want to make this life count even more; there is no second chance...
and by the way, who the he*% wants to live forever anyhow? |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| wannago wrote: |
| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
Personally I think they should have let him rot in prisons for the rest of his life rather then making him a martyer. Why give people more reasons to be violent? |
The problem with letting him rot in prison is that there is always the potential that he could escape, be broken out or even set free by his jailors ala Napoleon. Just think of the havoc if Saddam had ever been free to roam around Iraq again. |
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twg
Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:07 am Post subject: |
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| Just think of the havoc if Saddam had ever been free to roam around Iraq again. |
Yeah, they might even have lynched him since he was so well loved there! |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Anytime Bathists gain power it is a big problem. Being violent, aggressive, totalitarian and aggressive is their nature. At any rate there are a lot crazy people in Iraq who might take hostages demanding Saddam's release. |
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Junior
Joined: 18 Nov 2005
Location: the eye
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Bondrock"]
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| so when God created the angel that became Satan, was God making a mistake?? can god make mistakes? also, he made adam and eve, but they also screwed up, why didnt god foresee that...? |
he foresaw that they would make the choice to screw up, yes. but he had given them free will. He knew what would happen, yet it was entirely their choice that it did.
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| or was God creating a being (Satan) that would cause humans to choose another path |
Satan does not force humans to do anything. He tempts people, with options. Our choice remains free.
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| why would a god so powerful create this scenario? |
He created perfection. He didn't create the reality we live in now, humans have, by their own will.
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| is God a being that enjoys watching suffering? |
In no way. Suffering is a result of our choices and those of our forefathers, all impacting eachother in one damaged, tainted universe.
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also, how about the first commandment?
is God so jealous that s/he cannot allow some competition? |
there is only one God. by other Gods, he means false Gods. ie..wastes of time. A God is whatever people worship. Money, sex, sport, Tv, whatever.Or other religions- false Gods.
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| in all honesty, if you could prove beyond doubt that this "god" did exist, i would choose to disown h/she ...it... whatever.... |
If god was scientifically proven, then people would not believe by faith. As the bible says..it is impossible to please God without faith. "By faith you are saved, through grace". What merit is it to you if you believe only things you see?Anyone can do that.
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| i would rather live in purgatory than bow down to some egotistical, human attributed, god-like pseudo-being. |
Purgatory doesn't exist in the bible. Its a theological religious invention of people. "Egotistical" is not an accurate description of God. He is all powerful, but benevolent, granting mercy to those who want it.
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| i am a moral being. i choose to be this way. i dont need the threat of damnation to make me a decent person |
If you believe that we are simply atoms and there is no God, then how can their be an authoritive morality. It would be a case of only pleasure or pain, no right or wrong.
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| knowing that it ends when i die makes me want to make this life count even more |
But if there is nothing after death..then its pointless.Nothing really matters.
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| and by the way, who the he*% wants to live forever anyhow? |
If you're thinking of life on this earth, then I'd agree with you. |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:19 am Post subject: |
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| twg wrote: |
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| Just think of the havoc if Saddam had ever been free to roam around Iraq again. |
Yeah, they might even have lynched him since he was so well loved there! |
Just like they lynched him before the U.S. invaded. |
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supernick
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 3:26 am Post subject: |
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| Just like they lynched him before the U.S. invaded. |
They couldn't do anything before because of his security forces. Imagine what would happen to Bush if it weren't for all of those jug heads around him. Hopefully nothing would happen as if that happened he would be made imto some sort of hero which would be far from fitting. |
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