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thebum
Joined: 09 Jan 2005
Location: North Korea
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downloading is for suckers.
who has time to wait?
on-demand is the new black.
as previously mentioned:
http://links2movies.50webs.org/
crude for now, but let's see where movie streaming is within a year...
ROBT. |
i have a slow connection here in korea and i still download at one megabyte per second. if you watch movies on that website, you are still downloading them. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| crazylemongirl wrote: |
| I have mixed feelings about it. My father makes his living in the film industry. And while those profits may seem outrageous, they eventually filter down to little players like my dad. But on the other hand, I like cheap stuff. |
The worst thing about it is that movie studios use creative accounting practices to make a blockbuster appear as if it lost money so that they don't have to pay the directors their fair share of the profits.
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Moldy Rutabaga
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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I think about this a lot. I guess I divide the question into two parts.
1. Is it right?
I think you get what you pay for. When you pay $2, you get a crappy-quality disc that sometimes jams and is sometimes the wrong disc, with poorly photocopied covers. For $10-20 you get a shiny new box with a good disc. If it's a movie I don't care much for and I want to see once, I don't feel bad buying a pirate disc. For a movie I like a lot, I buy a legit copy. I don't think the movie industry loses from me buying pirate discs, because those are discs I wouldn't pay $15 for. And sometimes I've been turned on to bands or movies I really like and I've re-purchased a studio copy. The same argument applies to music CDs, for me at least. If I were forced to buy studio CDs, I just wouldn't buy most of them.
2. Is it going away?
No. All the lawsuits, all the threats, all the protection schemes are the cries of dinosaurs sinking into the tarpits. With the price-fixing and past scams of media industries, appeals to morality don't work. In the end big media's only way to survive will be to stop looking at piracy as theft and begin to see it as free advertisement, just as free music on a radio station is. DVDs/CDs are going to have to fall in price, but when they do there will be a sweet spot where enough people are going to say, 'why should I spend all afternoon chasing crappy downloads or buying cheap pirates when I can buy a good new disc for $7?' When legit online mp3s reach 25 cents that market will grow exponentially. But it won't happen if greedy companies keep trying to charge $20 a disc and sue their customers..
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Dev
Joined: 18 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Moldy Rutabaga wrote: |
But it won't happen if greedy companies keep trying to charge $20 a disc and sue their customers..
Ken:> |
It costs practically nothing to produce a dvd movie nowadays. To cut costs even more, they could move their production to China (everyone else has, so why not?). Total cost for artwork and dvd disc might be $1. Then they could sell them for $7 each and still turn a nice profit. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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As long as DVD's and CD's continue to cost as much as they do now I'll keep on stealing music and movies from the interent without a guilty bone in my body.
If I'm in a supermarket and a DVD/CD that I like is in the bargain bin for 5000 won or something then I will buy it. But that's as much as I want to pay for it.
Back before the internet I knew big music fans, collectors, who would buy several CD's each week. Each CD was usually 10-13 pounds. That meant that a modest CD collection of around 400 CD's would have cost over 4000 pounds!!! No way! That's too much money to just listen to music. CD's have been a rip-off since they came out.
God bless file-sharing!! |
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ernie
Joined: 05 Aug 2006
Location: asdfghjk
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 2:00 am Post subject: |
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film companies suing people for watching pirated or downloaded movies is kind of like if the VHS companies started suing people for using DVDs... wake up to reality, adjust your business plan accordingly, and stop alienating your customers!
people are going to do what is easiest and cheapest for them to do... even if they believe that massive conglomerates deserve the profits they reap, it doesn't make them any less likely to get something for free instead of paying 20 bucks for it! |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:54 am Post subject: |
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| ernie wrote: |
film companies suing people for watching pirated or downloaded movies is kind of like if the VHS companies started suing people for using DVDs... wake up to reality, adjust your business plan accordingly, and stop alienating your customers!
people are going to do what is easiest and cheapest for them to do... even if they believe that massive conglomerates deserve the profits they reap, it doesn't make them any less likely to get something for free instead of paying 20 bucks for it! |
It's a case of the pot calling the kettle black. How many of the people in the record and movie industries have never recorded a movie or a sitcom on TV with a Betamax, a VHS recorder, or a Tivo? Very few, no doubt. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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I have some nervousness about downloading and pirate cds because part of me wonders if the future of music, theatre and cinema is, well ... YouTube.
By that I mean that perhaps people will only produce music in the studio as advertisements, rather than as art. And what art exists will be amateurish and lame ... um, like YouTube - though I hasten to add, I'm amused by it, at least for a while.
I buy pirate cds, mostly of tv series (because I figure somebody got paid at least once through commercials or subscription fees) but I try to avoid downloading or buying pirate stuff unless I can't find it and I'm happy to pay the full price so I can feel like the artists got to pay their rent ... I sort of think that's important.
Just me, though. I'm aware what directions things are moving, and we all will see where it will lead us ...
By the way, my brother is a musician, and he downloads like a mofo, just as every other musician I've met does, and largely for the reasons many have given here ... on the other hand, there was one particular month he came to me and admitted that he could not pay the rent that month. He's my brother, so sure, and he's a great guy I'd like even without family being involved - point is, somebody, somewhere supports the art, in some way or other.
You know?
Most likely I'm wrong, but what I'm thinking is that eventually the ones who will lose out are those of us who enjoy quality music and movies and other media ... because artists who don't get paid will eventually end up working at the counter of the local auto parts store, what I figure.
Like I said, we'll all see where we end up with this stuff. |
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The King of Kwangju
Joined: 10 Feb 2003
Location: New York City
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think downloading is stealing. Neither does the Canadian government.
If you steal a CD out of a store, the store loses a CD. If you download a CD, the original doesn't disappear.
But I think we are in for some major changes in the coming years. I don't think musicians will ever stop making music, and artists will ever stop making art. They've been doing it since the dawn of human history.
But everything else will change drastically.
Maybe record companies won't make so much money. Maybe movie stars won't be millionaires. Maybe distribution will be completely online and you won't need physical media at all.
Should be interesting. |
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Moldy Rutabaga
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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By the way, my brother is a musician, and he downloads like a mofo, just as every other musician I've met does, and largely for the reasons many have given here...
Most likely I'm wrong, but what I'm thinking is that eventually the ones who will lose out are those of us who enjoy quality music and movies and other media ... because artists who don't get paid will eventually end up working at the counter of the local auto parts store, what I figure. |
I think about this too as an ameteur musician. I have my music on my web page for free because I suppose I should practice what I preach. But that's cheap grace as no one would have paid for my music anyway.
The new media technologies have allowed almost anyone to make pretty good recordings in their homes. I think that's a good thing, to break that century-long monopoly on recording that studios had and to return to an earlier time when artists supported themselves with live performances and people made their own music by sitting and playing the instrument.
There's still lots of money to be made in music. But I think that artists and record companies will need to make a paradigm shift. If I were talented, I could make my own music and release it on my web page to millions without any money involved. But it's very difficult for me to produce professional rock videos or to promote my band in the media or to arrange a booking for a concert. This is what record companies are still very good at; I think in future they will be more like promotional companies, managing artists' careers and helping them make money through performances.
How will movie companies be able to make money on a product that's pirated? Again, I think there's still room for profit once the price on DVDs drops. There will always be people who want to buy the overpriced movie theatre ticket. Perhaps budgets will drop, but there are other promotional ways to raise money from a movie other than DVDs/Tapes; these media were once an afterthought for studios.
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| The Bobster wrote: |
I have some nervousness about downloading and pirate cds because part of me wonders if the future of music, theatre and cinema is, well ... YouTube.
By that I mean that perhaps people will only produce music in the studio as advertisements, rather than as art. And what art exists will be amateurish and lame ... um, like YouTube - though I hasten to add, I'm amused by it, at least for a while.
I buy pirate cds, mostly of tv series (because I figure somebody got paid at least once through commercials or subscription fees) but I try to avoid downloading or buying pirate stuff unless I can't find it and I'm happy to pay the full price so I can feel like the artists got to pay their rent ... I sort of think that's important.
Just me, though. I'm aware what directions things are moving, and we all will see where it will lead us ...
By the way, my brother is a musician, and he downloads like a mofo, just as every other musician I've met does, and largely for the reasons many have given here ... on the other hand, there was one particular month he came to me and admitted that he could not pay the rent that month. He's my brother, so sure, and he's a great guy I'd like even without family being involved - point is, somebody, somewhere supports the art, in some way or other.
You know?
Most likely I'm wrong, but what I'm thinking is that eventually the ones who will lose out are those of us who enjoy quality music and movies and other media ... because artists who don't get paid will eventually end up working at the counter of the local auto parts store, what I figure.
Like I said, we'll all see where we end up with this stuff. |
A lot of people who bought those Lord of the Rings DVDs thought the same thing as you...but Peter Jackson is still suing the movie studio because he claims they underpaid him on the DVD sales. |
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swetepete
Joined: 01 Nov 2006
Location: a limp little burg
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| Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 6:52 am Post subject: |
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Saw this on a t-shirt. Sums it up for me.
"DOWNLOADING MUSIC IS DESTROYING THE COMMERCIAL MUSIC INDUSTRY.
"and it's FUN!!!" |
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