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mack the knife

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: standing right behind you...
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:41 pm Post subject: Fantastic Op/Ed in Korea Herald |
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http://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2007/01/03/200701030040.asp
This guy seems to be the new Korean voice of reason. The only place where I think he strays is assuming that Koreans will turn on each other as people in the Balkans did. I have no fear of that ever happening. I do have a fear of Koreans turning on foreigners here, as that sort of thing happens quite regularly here, albeit with far less violent consequences. However, one never knows, does one? |
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Mashimaro

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: location, location
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Refreshing to read something exercising some common sense. |
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Reading this powerful book, I could not help thinking of the Korean Peninsula - presumably the most dangerous place on earth, and yet, the people who reside in it do not seem to be aware of the precarious situation at all. |
Gee, think I could think of about 100 places more dangerous than Korea.
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| Some people find interesting similarities between the Korean Peninsula and the Italian peninsula as well. For example, both Koreans and Italians are known to be passionate, cheerful, and romantic (or sentimental |
Koreans are like Italians? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaahahahaha
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| Ask any Korean student overseas why he has decided to study abroad, he is likely to answer: "To serve my motherland." |
Huh? A Korean maybe would say that to another Korean, but I highly doubt it. |
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mack the knife

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: standing right behind you...
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Gee, think I could think of about 100 places more dangerous than Korea |
The border between North and South Korea is the most militarized piece of real estate in the world, bar none. Add to that the fact that you have thousands of artillery pieces ready to rain down death and destruction upon Seoul at a given command, plus the whole nuke/chemical/biological weapons in the hands of a ruthless dictator thing, and you have the ingredients for the most dangerous place on earth. |
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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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Both of them like to sing and dance in a group during a feast. Finally, they both like to drink...
Koreans are traditionally a very affectionate, good-natured and warm-hearted people. |
Next time I see a group of Koreans I think I'm going to start singing the Smurf theme song out loud.... |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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| If we're playing dice I would feel a lot safer in the DMZ here than in the safest places in Afghanistan, Iraq, or Sudan for starters. |
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Moldy Rutabaga

Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Ansan, Korea
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Some people find interesting similarities between the Korean Peninsula and the Italian peninsula as well. |
Absolutely. For example, people from both peninsulas are carbon-based life forms. The cuisines are also extremely similar; for example, both involve some form of cooking using heat.
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| Ask any Korean student overseas why he has decided to study abroad, he is likely to answer: "To serve my motherland." |
Unless the TV cameras are off. Then the answer will be "Because my mother made me."
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| Reading this powerful book, I could not help thinking of the Korean Peninsula - |
I wonder if some of the people I meet here could read a book on toe fungus without relating it to Korea.
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| presumably the most dangerous place on earth |
Boy, Koreans gotta win at everything.. "yooou debauched westerners only have gang violence and typhoons, but weeee Koreans know danger.. by the way, did you know that kimchi helps prevent terrorism?"
Ken:> |
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Mashimaro

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: location, location
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Did people actually read the article? People may not agree with everything, but surely it's a start. I know some people will criticise anything, however call me strange but I found it a lot more meritorious than the usual Korea world's best ra ra ra BS |
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kotakji
Joined: 23 Oct 2006
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Well the overview is good but the rational is pretty poor.
"Otherwise, their culture would be easily absorbed by powerful neighboring countries on the continent."
Yes indeed Italy, Greece, Spain, Scandinavia- those peninsulas were always at the mercy of the great powers- always hoping that some day they will build a grand empire, but forever thwarted. Oh wait. |
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manlyboy

Joined: 01 Aug 2004 Location: Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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*Italians are not one big, happy, unified "peninsular" people. They are historically separate peoples of city states. Even today many Italians feel more loyal to their particular region than they do to the nation state. They did not become who they are primarily owing to geographical forces.
*Balkan peoples did not "suddenly" turn in to enemies. That area has always been a powder keg awaiting a spark. Comparing the ethnic and religious tensions of that place to the homogenous squabbling of South Koreans seems absurd to me.
*Several polls I've seen indicate that a majority of students today would prefer not to be Korean. The young people I meet here are not much different from young people in the West: pleasure seeking and self-serving. As Max Cady says in Cape Fear "They're dedicated to their ambitions and their professions, but they're not dedicated to each other". I find the notion of an over-riding desire to "serve the motherland" highly questionable.
*This we-have-constantly-been-the-victims-of-invasion notion has already been debunked.
*Koreans idealize the concept of "han". They sing the tragic song "Arirang" like it's their national anthem. A TV drama will not succeed here unless the characters in it suffer immensely. Koreans are a lot of things, but cheerful ain't one of 'em. |
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Yu_Bum_suk

Joined: 25 Dec 2004
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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Well the overview is good but the rational is pretty poor.
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That's exactly it.
As to the Korea and Italy parallel, I would site one huge similarity: both country's cuisines were revolutionised by new world crops in the early modern era and almost no one from either country seems to be aware that their 'traditional' foods only date back four or five centuries. |
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Pyongshin Sangja

Joined: 20 Apr 2003 Location: I love baby!
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 10:45 pm Post subject: |
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Kim Seong-kon is a professor of English at Seoul National University and visiting scholar at Harvard University. - Ed. |
Well, ladeefreakinda, look's like we got ourselves a real Einstein here. |
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tzechuk

Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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Mack the knife - they turned against one another during the aftermath of the Japanese war.
My mother in law's father was killed by his village people because he was the mayor of the village but was forced by the Japs to do their dirty work for them. When the war ended, the village people tried the father and found him *guilty* of treason.....
The mother died soon afterwards of some illness...
The uncles of the said mother were meant to watch out for the kids, i.e. my mother in law and her two brothers but instead they took all their stuff inside the house to sell and took over the house as their own. They stopped short of kicking the children out to live on the street but they didn't treat them much better than slaves either.
My MIL said that there were some other random people who also went to their home and took stuff, saying that their dad was a traitor, so their stuff belonged to them.
I wouldn't be surprised if they would do the same again. |
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jajdude
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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Posted: Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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"Koreans are a lot of things, but cheerful ain't one of 'em."
Yeah, I noticed that too. Cheerful? Maybe when eating and drinking or singing and drinking or chatting and drinking, or....
It's no land of smiles. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004 Location: Goseong
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Posted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 2:03 am Post subject: |
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Both of them like to sing and dance in a group during a feast. Finally, they both like to drink...
Koreans are traditionally a very affectionate, good-natured and warm-hearted people. |
Next time I see a group of Koreans I think I'm going to start singing the Smurf theme song out loud.... |
Paddycakes, give me a call and I'll come sing it with you. |
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