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[ED209]

Flak, it really depends on what you mean by morality. Many animals display morality, especially in social groups. Murderers and thieves are often punished, love and cooperation rewarded. But then again these same animals will sometimes eat their young .
If animals can be shown to display morality without religion then we can infer with a degree more certainty that humans were once similar.

Atheists are demonized, in the bible and in church. If you are democrat are you going to hell?

Yes there have been presidents who lacked a faith in a personal god or cast doubt on the bible and even Jesus been the son of god. That was a long time ago, Harris is talking about today.

I agree that theists are often unfairly demonized. There numerous examples of religion gone wrong that we don't need to go into. I think when we feel threatened by each other we lash out. Atheists hating the power religion has in government and those religions hating been challenged.

The theists I drink with don't fear me, they have friend called Jesus

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[mithridates]

I think it's pretty obvious that more people would believe in some sort of god than a personal god. One is a more precise definition than the other.

[SPINOZA]

Why anyone in their right mnd would believe in either absolutely defies commentary, given that neither option suffices as an explanation.

Theists are curious folks. I hate both theists and atheists, but the former are by some distance the most curious folks.

Ok, so we have a bunch of stuff we call existence. But why does it exist? Beacuse of GOD - He invented it!! - is the answer. End of enquiry.

Okay, so that's that solved.

But god - what's his story?

This is even more of a mystery than the one it intended to solve, surely?
Like Wittgenstein said...."is my eternal life not much more of a mystery than my current one?"

Why this is not immediately apparent to every human being is perhaps even more of a mystery. One can only assume sheer stupidity plays its part.

[Cheonmunka]

The way that this is written absolutely smacks of poor verse.
He makes a broad initial statement, like, "People of faith often claim that the crimes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot were the inevitable product of unbelief," but there are no footnotes pointing to where the clause is evidenced or realized in the real world. For me, I would feel that those crimes come from people's personal greed and sin.

The writing reminds of that K... guy. The one who wrote the guru book about property investment. He himself had frittered away a small inheritance on living costs, had no property himself, but thought he had the 'gift of the gab,' enough of it to persuade a million people to buy his book. They did.

Is this "10 Myths" not of the same ilk?

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[Cheonmunka]

Yeah, it took me to read about what you guys wrote here to let me look critically at an Oprah program, with her driving around the US. I thought, "Man, what a lonely existence those people in Mid-America have."
I can only imagine what goes on in their heads with so little to do but path the way for the stock to the meat culling, or watch T.V. They must be bored out of their minds. But, how on Earth did these (really strict religious) ideas get into so many heads at once?

If the religions are strict, I can only imagine the actions of them tempered in the big cities.

Then, I always come back and think, the author's statistics he uses (throws out) are not accurate. For, how can 80% of "people of faith" suddenly, from within his prose, become a great majority that espouse the Bible, constantly and dangerously, from the writer's POV... Yet, I always thought the dogmatic (the dogmatic few) to be a minority!

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