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Another Example Why Religion is F$#k#d.
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daskalos



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I especially love about Christian demogogues lapsing into prognostication is that their very own bible gives them an ironclad metric by which to judge whether a prophet speaks for God or the forces of darkness. (And profit -- I'm sorry, I mean prophet -- is surely what Pat is aiming for here.)

The test, stated somewhere in the books of Kings or Judges, is simple: if a prophet ever says God told him something and the prophecy doesn't come true, that prophet is a false one.

And Pat doesn't claim anything like 100 percent accuracy. Oh, his claims outstrip his actual record, to be sure, but even a fundamentalist Christian's loose grip on reality can't fudge all the facts. (E.g., he claims a near hit on last year's guess that storms and a tidal wave would hit the U.S., because, actually, storms did hit. But the metric doesn't make allowances for near hits.)

In keeping with the Hebrew part of the bible whence comes this metric, we could use the word chutzpah to describe Pat's foray into prophethood. But it's not chutzpah, it's knowing his audience. The one's familiar with the metric will conveniently forget it or excuse it away. The ones not familiar with it will point to the storms we had last year and attribute the voice of God to him. And the profits will keep achieving their mark, which is what Pat and his ilk are all about.

You don't believe me? Take away the tax exempt status of churches and see how fast the Pat Robertsons, et al, fade away. Religion wouldn't die -- religion is something most people demand, because the lightning is scary, and if praying to the skygod helps them to face their lives, fine -- but the hucksters selling snake oil would have a far less fertile playing field.

It's really too bad there is no literal Hell for Pat Robertson to burn in for all eternity.
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4 months left



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Moldy Rutabaga wrote:
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and all the moronic pinhead followers believe him and send him money.

His moronic pinhead followers, not all 5+ billion people on earth who have religious belief of some kind. Just a leeeetle chip on your shoulder about this?

Ken:>


No chip, but I'd say the vast majority of those that have religous beliefs are at least a little whacked.
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seoulunitarian



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 9:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Another Example Why Religion is F$#k#d. Reply with quote

4 months left wrote:
Can't we just send all world religious leaders to Iraq with a slingshot and a hockey helmet! The world would be so much better if there were no religion.

Robertson predicts 'mass killing' Tue Jan 2, 6:29 PM ET

In what has become an annual tradition of prognostications, religious broadcaster Pat Robertson predicted Tuesday that a terrorist attack on the United States would result in "mass killing" late in 2007.

"I'm not necessarily saying it's going to be nuclear," he said during his news-and-talk television show "The 700 Club" on the Christian Broadcasting Network. "The Lord didn't say nuclear. But I do believe it will be something like that."

Robertson said God told him during a recent prayer retreat that major cities and possibly millions of people will be affected by the attack, which should take place sometime after September.

Robertson said God also told him that the U.S. only feigns friendship with Israel and that U.S. policies are pushing Israel toward "national suicide
Robertson suggested in January 2006 that God punished then-Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon with a stroke for ceding Israeli-controlled land to the Palestinians.

The broadcaster predicted in January 2004 that President Bush would easily win re-election. Bush won 51 percent of the vote that fall, beating Democratic Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts. He also predicted Bush's victory for a second term in 2005.

"I have a relatively good track record," he said. "Sometimes I miss."

In May, Robertson said God told him that storms and possibly a tsunami were to crash into America's coastline in 2006. Even though the U.S. was not hit with a tsunami, Robertson on Tuesday cited last spring's heavy rains and flooding in New England as partly fulfilling the prediction.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070102/ap_on_re_us/robertson_prediction&printer=1


ALL religious leaders = Pat Robertson?

Peace
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jaganath69



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 03, 2007 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think religion is a bad thing in itself. It inspires great works of passion, mercy, art and literature. What I do object to is when it attempts to insert itself into science and politics.
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Hollywoodaction



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 12:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't say it's a particular religion that is f#kt per se, but rather it's followers.
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tomato



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 04, 2007 11:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Another Example Why Religion is F$#k#d. Reply with quote

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Robertson suggested in January 2006 that God punished then-Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon with a stroke for ceding Israeli-controlled land to the Palestinians.


I thought that Robertson backed out of that statement.
As I recall, an Israeli diplomat told him fine, if that's the way he feels, they can cancel the million-dollar real estate deal he was making in Israel.

Robertson also decided that his bid for the Presidency wasn't God-inspired.
After all, how could an infallible God inspire a person to run for election and lose?

It's been a long time since the people of Dover, Pennsylvania voted all the Intelligent Designers out of the school board.
And I am still waiting for a catastrophe to hit the town as Robertson predicted.
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stevemcgarrett



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 05, 2007 1:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

4 months left:

What a lame thread. You hold up a fringe fundamentalist like Robertson as indicative of the fold. Shake that red herring for all it's worth, dude, it's not going to convince the religious among us that we're the root of the problem.

And it is indeed a fringe element that has asserted itself even among Muslims, although I wouldn't equate Robertson with bin Laden.

You know what makes me want to puke? The smugness of atheists who think religion is the bane of our existence yet in all their quests for the best in secular humanism can find nothing that will make this world a far better place to live in. I'll take a wide-eyed cheerful Korean missionary over a close-eyed morose atheist any day.

Keep counting down.
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