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ernie
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oneiros
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| Delirium's Brother wrote: |
Thanks for the suggestions. Keep them coming. I've read all of Gibson, and most of the Sterling. I love PKD, I think he was the grandfather of Cyberpunk. Movies too... suggest movies or novels/shortstories!
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| William Gibson needs to write faster. |
No kidding  |
The official release date for Spook Country seems to be August 7th, 2007. Mark your calendars.  |
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Rteacher
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luvnpeas
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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The productivity of arguing about words is pretty limited, but....
Philip K. Dick is not cyberpunk. Bladerunner, the movie, has a cyberpunk feeling to it, but its feeling is far from the feeling of the book. Dick's major theme was psychosis--schizophrenia, hallucination, connection to reality, sex, depression. The movie A Scanner Darkly is much more similar to Dick's literature than Minority Report, Total Recall, or any of the other movies loosely (very loosely) based on his stories. Dick wrote in the 60's and 70's and died before Bladerunner was released. The term cyberpunk didn't even exist until Neuromancer.
Bladerunner, the movie, could reasonably be called "proto-cyberpunk", but that's about it. |
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luvnpeas
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| Posted: Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| LOL! Should I edit "Philip K. Dick" in my last post.... naw. |
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mack the knife
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| Philip K. *beep* is not cyberpunk. |
Exactly. He's the inspiration behind cyberpunk. He's the FATHER of cyberpunk. Everyone quotes him as an influence. |
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Delirium's Brother
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:34 am Post subject: |
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| luvnpeas wrote: |
The productivity of arguing about words is pretty limited [true], but....
Philip K. *beep* is not cyberpunk. [I think I said that he was the grandfather of cyberpunk] Bladerunner, the movie, has a cyberpunk feeling to it, but its feeling is far from the feeling of the book. *beep*'s major theme was psychosis--schizophrenia, hallucination, connection to reality, sex, depression. [agreed, but these are also important cyberpunk themes, if you are reading carefully] The movie A Scanner Darkly is much more similar to *beep*'s literature than Minority Report, Total Recall, or any of the other movies loosely (very loosely) based on his stories. *beep* wrote in the 60's and 70's and died before Bladerunner was released. The term cyberpunk didn't even exist until Neuromancer.
Bladerunner, the movie, could reasonably be called "proto-cyberpunk", but that's about it. [so we are in agreement--he was the progenitor of the genre] |
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swetepete
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 7:49 am Post subject: |
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Iain M. Banks is the best living science-fiction writer who is not Neal Stephenson. I don't think Gibson can hold a candle to him, these days. I just read 'the Algebraist' and was seriously bummed it wasn't about a thousand pages longer. It's kind of space-opera, but has definite elements of cyberpunk in it (though I don't really like the term). All his science fiction stuff is at least pretty good, and some of it is reeeeally good. I thought his first, "Consider Phlebas," was the best he'd done, but now I'm all about the newest one, "The Algebraist."
The Neal Stephenson 'Baroque Cycle' is awesome too, though it might be a bit of a stretch to call it science fiction. Then again, not really, come to think of it, because of the Enoch the Red character...yes, the same one who was in Cryptonomicon, though that was set 300 years later.
I've never seen Banks' stuff in Korea, but you could certainly get it ordered for you. He is published by Orbit, I think, in Britain. |
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luvnpeas
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Delirium's Brother wrote: |
Bladerunner, the movie, could reasonably be called "proto-cyberpunk", but that's about it. [so we are in agreement--he was the progenitor of the genre] |
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Bladerunner isn't Dick's work. It's a Harrison Ford movie. Have you read "Do Androids Dream of Electronic Sheep?"
There's a predictable irony in Hollywood's treatment of these stories. Dick's protagonists were almost always anti-heroes. So whom does Hollywood cast for the parts? Tom Cruise, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Harrison Ford....
At the risk of opening a can of worms....define cyberpunk. |
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luvnpeas
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm going to change my login to Beep. |
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oneiros
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| luvnpeas wrote: |
There's a predictable irony in Hollywood's treatment of these stories. *beep*'s protagonists were almost always anti-heroes. So whom does Hollywood cast for the parts? Tom Cruise, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and Harrison Ford....
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At one point, David Cronenberg was set to direct "We Can Remember it For You Wholesale" (aka Total Recall), but no one could agree on a script. Now that would've been properly anti-hero. I'm not sure that it would have ended up bearing any closer resemblance to the original story, though. |
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mack the knife
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| Posted: Sun Jan 07, 2007 11:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Have you read "Do Androids Dream of Electronic Sheep?" |
Ironically, the short story is much darker, dystopian, and "cyberpunk" than the movie. |
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luvnpeas
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| mack the knife wrote: |
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| Have you read "Do Androids Dream of Electronic Sheep?" |
Ironically, the short story is much darker, dystopian, and "cyberpunk" than the movie. |
The protagonist worked for GEPIK. |
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shifter2009
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:40 am Post subject: |
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| ernie wrote: |
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One of my all time favorites. Cryptonomicon is pretty damned awesome too but I don't think they would fall into these categories, would it? |
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mack the knife
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:42 am Post subject: |
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| The protagonist worked for GEPIK |
Hah! More true than you know. You'll figure it all out soon enough...
With regards to Crypto and the Baroque Cycle, the author [Stephenson] said that these would hardly fall into the sci-fi genre. In fact, the "Enoch Root" character would fit nicely into the fantasy genre, as he's clearly based on Gandalf from LOTR. |
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