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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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 Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:40 pm Post subject: Little Less Conversation, a Little More Action Please... |
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Excellent news in Somalia...
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| WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A U.S. gunship has attacked suspected al Qaeda targets in southern Somalia, a senior Pentagon official said Monday... |
Full CNN Story
Our Marine Corps nickname for this gunship was "Puff the Magic Dragon."
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:50 pm Post subject: Re: Little Less Conversation, a Little More Action Please... |
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| A U.S. gunship has attacked suspected al Qaeda targets in southern Somalia, a senior Pentagon official said Monday... |
Haha...from experience I've found we soon learn that suspected terrorists in news reports usually turn out in the end to be innocent civillians in the wrong place at the wrong time (often at a wedding celebration...). Hopefully, I'm wrong about that this time. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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If they run, they are al Qaeda. If not, then they are well-disciplined al Qaeda.
NPR Coverage |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:04 pm Post subject: ... |
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| So, we just cruise into Somalia and attack whenever? |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: ... |
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| So, we just cruise into Somalia and attack whenever? |
Yes, let's attack a pharmacutical company (making medicine crucial to the health of the very old, very young and the very sick) and claim it as chemical weapons factory! Oh...haven't we done that before...?  |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Gopher wrote: |
If they run, they are al Qaeda. If not, then they are well-disciplined al Qaeda.
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Very funny.
Good to see that your previously thread-distorting avatar has been pruned back into one that is quite nicely sized. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 7:44 pm Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
| So, we just cruise into Somalia and attack whenever? |
viva warlords and anarchy! |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:15 pm Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
| So, we just cruise into Somalia and attack whenever? |
Yes, let's attack a pharmacutical company (making medicine crucial to the health of the very old, very young and the very sick) and claim it as chemical weapons factory! Oh...haven't we done that before...? |
You are referring to when the Clinton Administration bombed the Sudanese plant producing medicine. Do you think it was intentional? I don't think so.
I think people should becareful when getting involved in Somalia. If there are to be troops they need to be away from most Somalia civilian areas. The U.S. is being invited by the government. However, so was the Ethiopian army. Of course, there will be critics. The danger is being drawn into wars with warlords. The government has to work with them just as Karzai does in Afghanistan.
Sorry guys for three posts of a certain topic. It was not intentional.
That would be malicious if it was. |
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matthews_world
Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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Responding to the thread's topic and title:
'I'M ALL SHOOK UP!" |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:33 am Post subject: |
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| The U.S. is being invited by the government. However, so was the Ethiopian army. Of course, there will be critics. |
Please allow me to be a critic.
It is a patent, totally false and propaganda to imply that the warlords and and others you are refering to as "the govt" are the governmment. I won't even take the time to address this fully, should be apparent. So what happens to the will of the people, so beloved by the United States? It goes out the window as always, when it seems U.S. interests in any way, shape or form are involved.
Along with lies, impeachable lies (like WMD, like "we don't torture" )and the diluting of the constitution into a meaningless piece of paper behind a plate of glass -- the worst Bush has done is to throw all notions of "peace in our time" into the waste bin of history. He has fully and completely sold other states on the notion of aggression, the fantasies of preventative strikes and he has made the world a much much more dangerous place (not the other way around as Bush wishes to believe in reference to his imagined bogey men). What happened to the words of Kellog Briand, the power of Nuremburg, the hope of the Geneva Conventions, all outlawing such actions as this attack? Gone into the waste basket.
And all the yahoos like Gopher with his fantasies of jets swooping in and bringing freedom. They are just that, go back to your television and watch your well worn copy of Top Gun.
I concurr with Vidal and once again we all should read his words.
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| �I�m a lover of the old republic and I deeply resent the empire our Presidents put in its place,� he declares. |
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| The people don�t matter to this gang. They pay no attention. They think in totalitarian terms. They�ve got the troops. They�ve got the army. They�ve got Congress. They�ve got the judiciary. Why should they worry? Let the chattering classes chatter. Bush is a thug. I think there is something really wrong with him. |
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| The United States has done wicked things in the past to other countries but never on such a scale and never in such an existentialist way. It�s as though we are evil. We strike first. We�ll destroy you. This is an eternal war against terrorism. It�s like a war against dandruff. There�s no such thing as a war against terrorism. It�s idiotic. These are slogans. These are lies. It�s advertising, which is the only art form we ever invented and developed. |
http://www.progressive.org/mag_intv0806
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Gopher
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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Forgive my cynicism, but whenever I read suspected terrorists these days, I start thinking:
Kids throwing stones?
Young teenagers hanging out in the street?
Wedding Celebration?
Extended family sleeping in their home?
From: US launches air strikes at al-Qaida suspects
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| Somali officials said at least 27 people were killed in the air strikes led by AC-130 gunships around Ras Kamboni. It was not clear whether any of the dead were al-Qaida operatives, although Pentagon officials confirmed that bodies had been seen on the ground. |
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When Ethiopia sent thousands of troops in to back Somalia's weak government against the Islamists towards the end of last year, the US gave its tacit approval. But analysts said it remained an enormous challenge to establish the whereabouts of suspected al-Qaida cells, or to carry out an accurate strike given the limitations of the AC-130.
"It's akin to the heart of darkness, just shooting into the jungle," said Bob Baer, a former CIA agent. "At the end of the day you are just making more enemies."
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and from America attacks
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| The US airstrikes which reportedly killed large numbers of people in southern Somalia on Sunday and Monday - whether they are jihadi militants or civilians is not yet known |
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