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ChuckECheese
Joined: 20 Jul 2006
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If Bush and Kerry were the best choices out of a population of 300 million, then maybe you can guess what the real problem is.
You're no a lunatic for choosing Bush over Kerry. You're a lunatic for re-electing a man who lead your country to invade Iraq for reasons that did not exist. You don't know if Kerry would have been so bad, but really who can vote for Bush after the mess he made. |
Obviously, you're no American who doesn't know much about American history and politics.
Perhaps Americans should have voted for you since you knew everything about everything. Who gives a *beep* what could've, would've, should've about Kerry. Bottom line is that we made a choice and whether good or bad, we have to live with it and support it.
Fact of the matter is that, as I stated before, we don't live in a perfect world. Sometimes *beep* happens. The real difference is that whether you have the power and intiative to do something about something wrong or not.
Or shall we just pack up and leave Iraq and MiddleEast and let them figure things out for themselves and go at it. I'm sure someone like you will take up that slack by saying exactly the opposite of what you're saying right now. It's like damned if you do and damned if don't. So what to do Supernicky? What do you suggest? Any solution? Probably not, huh?
So instead of you calling us Americans lunatics just keep quiet and watch as a spectator.  |
Well, I'm an American, and you are a lunatic if you voted for Bush once, let alone twice. If you can't see what the world around you looks like, you are now squarely in the minority. And, yes, sometimes the majority is right. It was wrong with regard to Bush both times and it was wrong when it let Bush, et. al., use fearmongering to deprive them of their sense and us of our freedoms. It has awoken from its nightmare and is now in the right. Such are the swings of the pendulum.
If you think things are good the way they have turned out, that Bush, et. al., deserve ANY support whatsoever, then, yes, you are a lunatic. |
As said earlier *beep* happens. So what to do trainer? I guess you want troops to pack up and leave the middleeast perhaps? And say fvck the world and let them worry for themselves is the right way? If you got the answers you go for it. I'll vote for you for being a better idiot. |
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EFLtrainer
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 2:02 am Post subject: |
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I did have the answwer a yar, year-and-a-half ago: U.S. redeploy outside of Iraq coupled with NATO/multinational force INCLUDING forces from all or most Middle East nations.
Instant end to the problem, or as close as you were likely to get. At this point? Good question. Getting out is the best first step, however. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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The reality is that this war wasn't about oil, wasn't about profit or testing military hardware, wasn't about democracy or freedom or all those buttery notions.
It was about revenge. Bloodthirsty revenge and outletting of a nation's pain. Maybe a lot of the above played a part in the pragmatics but underneath, in the subconscious of the executioner in chief, it was about revenge and about how many American's never checked their own anger and allowed him and his team to steer this kind of pirate ship.
Carroll had a good article about this very notion. There is no more to do, America should run away and start to heal. But with Bush still around and all his Oedipal energy still stirring, seems this won't be. How can we ever believe the thug?about anything?
The Lynching of Iraq. http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/01/08/opinion/edcarroll.php
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| The hanging of Saddam Hussein on Dec. 30 offered a view into the grotesque reality of what America has sponsored in Iraq, and what Americans saw should inform their response to President George W. Bush's escalation of the war |
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| Capital punishment is to individuals what aggressive war is to nations. The 20th century, for all its brutality (or because of it), marked the watershed era when world opinion shifted against both |
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Let's remember who this man is. As governor of Texas, he presided over the executions of 152 people, including the first woman put to death in Texas in a century.
Her name was Karla Faye Tucker. Bush's response to the world-wide plea raised in her behalf was an astounding display of cruelty, a mocking imitation of the woman begging not to be killed. |
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Iraqi loss of life remains mostly unimagined, but every evening on the television news, Americans see the sweet faces of young soldiers who have died in Bush's war. They were heroes, not criminals, yet Bush dragged each one of them up onto a gallows. He positioned them on the trap door, hardly wincing as they then fell through. And now, in perhaps the greatest outrage of all, Bush claims that the way to justify the unnecessary deaths he has caused is to add to them. Escalation is his way of saying, go to hell.
With his lies at the beginning of this war, and his fantasy now that an honorable outcome remains possible, the president is a taunting killer, caught in the act. He lacks nothing but the black hood. Stop this man. |
Stop this man and this fiasco. No thoughts of what will happen if.....Just STOP.
DD |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:33 am Post subject: |
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An Apology from a Bush Voter
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Actually, I want more than just a simple apology from a Bush '04 voter. Self-flagellation would just begin to scratch the surface. Ignorant blunder ('00') is understandable. Repetition in the hopes of improvement is not. |
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supernick
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:42 am Post subject: |
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Obviously, you're no American who doesn't know much about American history and politics.
Perhaps Americans should have voted for you since you knew everything about everything. Who gives a *beep* what could've, would've, should've about Kerry. Bottom line is that we made a choice and whether good or bad, we have to live with it and support it.
Fact of the matter is that, as I stated before, we don't live in a perfect world. Sometimes *beep* happens. The real difference is that whether you have the power and intiative to do something about something wrong or not.
Or shall we just pack up and leave Iraq and MiddleEast and let them figure things out for themselves and go at it. I'm sure someone like you will take up that slack by saying exactly the opposite of what you're saying right now. It's like damned if you do and damned if don't. So what to do Supernicky? What do you suggest? Any solution? Probably not, huh?
So instead of you calling us Americans lunatics just keep quiet and watch as a spectator. |
So, you voted for Bush, not once but twice, and then you go on about S$it happens. It doesn't just happen, there is what some call cause and effect.
You come on this board calling people pea brains, and other forms of belittling while not addressing the topic. I have no problems with the opinions of others, but when you choose to hurl insults, it speaks volumes about your utter discontent with those of a difference opinion.
Let's take a walk back memory lane.
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One important thing that most pea brain and short-sighted people don�t realize about Americans and its government is that we aren�t short-sighted like many insignificant countries who only think about the present tenses. Americans always think in terms of future tenses (50 � 100 years in the best interest of the country and its allies).
I am so sicken tired of people with pea brains talking about why America invaded Iraq. With their limited short-sightedness, they always say that it�s because of the OIL. Give me a break, you pea brains don�t realize it, but you think that the Middle East has the largest oil deposit in the world, right? Wrong!!!! The United States probably has the largest oil deposit in the world. People will probably ask me to prove it, but I won�t. I�ll just tell you why though. Again, the U.S. is always thinking in terms of 50-100 years and beyond for our future generations. You know something called Alaska right? It�s our strategic oil reserve for the rainy days when oil dries up in the Middle East. So don�t go around saying the oil is the reason for the Iraq invasion because people make themselves look so stupid and ignorant. |
I guess us pea brained people got it all wrong. It was never about oil. It was to rid the world of all those terrorist that Saddam was training, and if the invasion didn't happen, Saddam would have armed all those Iraqi terrorists with biological and chemical weapons. He might have even given them a nuke.
But really, it was you and peope like you who had it all wrong and still do, and that is where the real problem lies, and things like this will likely happen again, cuz you want to give someone a spanking, and it sure ou guys are really doing a good job at that. Almost four years into the war, and if that is what is the best you guys have to offer, it aint much.
Now Bush wants to send in more troops, and I have no problem with that, but I do have to ask; why aren't other countries willing to send in more troops or other countries to join this mission?
And I never called Americans lunatics. Don't try to twist my words. |
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ChuckECheese
Joined: 20 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| And I never called Americans lunatics. Don't try to twist my words. |
Don't bullsh1t us Americans supernicky, here's what you said about Americans.
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| Chuck, the other lunatics are in the White House and the people who voted for Bush. |
Have you ever been in a war or in a battle? Probably not huh? When you try to win a battle or war, there are thousands and millions of variables that you have to consider before taking on your objectives. The intelligence takes up huge part in decision making. And no matter how prepared and ready you think you are *beep* will happen. Things will go wrong and not as you predicted and planned. But you can't just sit on your ass and wishing that things had work out better and licking your wounds and arguing about what if we had done that and this.
You gotta reaccess the situation, develop a new plans, and attack the problem again and again and again.......
But I'm only hearing a lot of biatching but no solution. You can biatch all you want but what to do supernicky? What's the better solution? |
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