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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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 Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 4:09 am Post subject: |
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You complained that I too easily dismissed "a very old and settled culture."
Gopher wrote,
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I found this fascinating. Mexico as we know it today is indeed a five-hundred-year-old culture. It was forged by military conquest and colonialism -- in fact, we call this "the Conquest." Hispanics and their mestizo offspring not only displaced/ensalved/annihilated millions of natives, but they marginalized and denied statehood and culture to those natives who survived.
And you exalt modern Mexico as "a very old and settled culture."
But, on the other hand, you rail against Israel. And whatever Tel Aviv's crimes against its neighbors may be, the Jewish state has not treated neighboring Arabs as severly as your "very old and settled" Mexico has treated its natives for half a millennium. |
Please be a little more academically rigorous. How can you compare the 16th and 20th centuries? Further, I would suggest that atleast Mexico has a mestizo culture. America wouldn't even breed , marry, treat its natives with a semblance of "humaness".
Further, America does have a BIG problem with Mexico. America treats the "other' never with superiority but with ignorance and righteousness. It causes many problems in the foreign policy arena, this lack of respect of the inherent dignity of other nations/peoples. Even here in Korea when I have the background TV on, I constantly here the commercial of a tv program saying, "Mexico, known as God's blind spot.". And let's not forget that bigotted tv serial, I think called the Lopez family where the man is portraited as a big dummy, lazy underachiever....
You and your arguements remind me much of the kid in my Grade 7 social studies class, sitting at the back, licking his hair and raising his hand, thinking he knows it all because he read 10 pages ahead in the chapter, "how America won the west." And don't even get things started in this direction.....
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| How is this not Ddeubletalk, Ddeubel? Do you hold any principles that you apply evenly? For all your protesting that you love freedom and human rights, I have a hard time listening to someone who fantasized burying Pinochet and Kissinger alive and then digging them up every-once-in-a-while just to make them suffer all the more when you reburied them... |
Never advocated killing them. But I do think there are bad guys in the world. Bad guys should be dealt with. They should feel the suffering of others. Kissinger I only would have there, to keep old Pinochet company, that would be the worst kind of suffering imaginable.
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| And, in any case, do not come here on this forum, where you have defended not only Hezbollah but also al Qaeda, and tell me that you do not celebrate 9/11 or at least think that America had it coming. Because some of us know your position better than you do apparently... |
Quit stretching the truth. Never celebrated, never defended al Qaeda, and only defended Hizbollah's right to defend itself against aggression. This should be a universal principal which unfortunately is not adhered to in the so called, "civilized" world with their hygenic, let's get quickly back to the tv set , warfare.
I have read this post in totally and I can see clearly, you don't know what your position really is. I can see your arguements in 3 lights....
1. Where is the smoking gun? Evidence, evidence , evidence. You want it all, right down to the dust on the theif's collar, if not, how could he have stolen that antique? You dismiss all opinions and arguements until you really stand for nothing. Categorically Imperativeless. I would suggest that you get out of the booknote, footnote, bibliography, citation mode and know that real historians assess not of "proof" but of repeated patterns. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and tastes like a duck, it is a dead duck.
2. Hail to the chief. Conservative, God, good govt and me (not necessarily in that order.). If we did something wrong, it was just an error, nothing inherently wrong. Unabashed belief in something that is not of your own. A slave mentality that Nietzsche would have weeped at.
3. I know more and if you don't believe like I do, you are a marxist, leftist, grudgist, conspiratorialist. But you humour the crowds, you need to feel good about yourself, polish your ego.......
I would suggest that the America I believe in and believe is still there, is the one evoked by Bobby Kennedy. As he said in his speech/eulogy to MLK,
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My favorite poem, my -- my favorite poet was Aeschylus. And he once wrote:
Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget
falls drop by drop upon the heart,
until, in our own despair,
against our will,
comes wisdom
through the awful grace of God. |
I would say to you. Feel more pain, through this , through the Socratic notion of thinking every day of the good, comes wisdom. Nowhere else and not certainly from NPR or your academic go getters....
As Bobby finished, I too wish.....
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| Let us dedicate ourselves to what the Greeks wrote so many years ago: to tame the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world. |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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| HizBollah was the agressor though. Despite Israel withdrew from Lebanon in 2000, Hezbollah chose to attack Israeli targets with rockets and while doing so kidnap 2 soldiers. Thats not self defense that is terrorism. |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:54 am Post subject: |
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.....And let's not forget that bigotted tv serial, I think called the Lopez family where the man is portraited as a big dummy, lazy underachiever....
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I am sure George Lopez agrees with you that his show is an American Conspiracy. More ddeubeltalk please.
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