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[stevemcgarrett]

dogbreath:

If you're going to be dismissive, you could at least decide whether I'm monolingual or monocultural.

The young man rescued by the Harlem man was a stranger too, so why emphasize it with boldface?

U.S.-ians: anyone who uses this description for Americans isn't really one in spirit anymore. Next you'll be calling us North Americans.

East Asians by and large always put family ahead of others, including friends. This socio-cultural trait has been well documented. Sorry you're not privy to this information. Must have found your degree in a box of Cracker Jacks.

Perhaps when you put aside your Japanese comic books, you might look into it. In the meantime, do dribble on.

[thepeel]

NE Asians do put family and clan first. But that does not mean that they disregard everybody else. I am sympathetic to the idea that NE Asians tend to treat those with whom they have no relations poorly, but I will not say more poorly than we do in the West. I think of myself a very kind person, but I'm a cold bastarrd in many ways. I can't even count all the people I walk past on any given day that I could help, but don't just cause I don't care. I will help my bro, or my dad.

[stevemcgarrett]

BJWD:

Western charitable giving per capita adjusted for annual income exceeds that of East Asians. Go to the UN home page and scout around. I've misplaced the direct weblink that documents giving. And in terms of religious charities, none comes close to the rate of giving observed in the U.S.

Two scholars who wrote at length on the subject of family-orientation in China were social historians Francis Hsu and W. F. Jenner.

In the West, we often assist strangers before our own; that practice is deemed unloyal in the worst sense in East Asia. Think about it.

I realize East Asians cannot be conflated for comparison's sake into regional terms in every socio-cultural aspect but in this particular circumstance they are similar. That's my point. Of course, you will find individuals and testimonials in East Asia who don't fit the mold.

As for the Harlem man, when interviewed he made it clear that he was closest to the helpless young man and the only one who noticed his plight. We are talking about a span of 10 seconds reaction time here remember. About the same as DD's attention span when reading my posts, perhaps a bit more.

[thepeel]

Fair enough.

I'm no 'Korea-booster', to be sure (those who know me in real life will likely be just waking from their heart attack after seeing me even slightly say even slightly kind things about Korean "culture"). Alas, Singapore has softened me up, and I just can't seem to say anything bad about anybody these days (cept' dd, of course).

I would like to say, though, that NE Asian cultures (sorry for the generalization) would see charity as something that happens within a family, and perhaps there really isn't a cultural point of reference for outside-the-family charity, yet. But if it is charity that we are talking about, they should be criticized for their stinginess. Otherwise, no point of disagreement with you.

[joeyjoejoe]

at sadang one morning on my way home from hongdae, i saw a guy fall onto the tracks.
four other guys jumped down there straight away and lifted him out maybe 20 seconds before a train arrived.

[gang ah jee]

[mithridates]

[igotthisguitar]

As for his new celebrity, he concluded, "good things happen when you do good."

Exactly what i was thinking: GOOD KARMA

[mithridates]

Two Korean ajosshis just kicked the ass of a criminal wielding a knife who robbed a store even though one had to get 20 stitches in his face and the other one got stabbed in the shoulder and got 30 stitches there. After about 2 to 3 minutes fighting the dude with the knife they took him down enough that they were able to drag him over to the police. Things are not looking good for the op.



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[stevemcgarrett]

Mithturbates over Photos of Korean Racing Girls:

Actually, Myth-Maker, I had no intentions of spinning off into a different dimension of my original post but was pestered into doing so by some posters. It all ties together. You and I can swap anecdotal evidence until the cows come home but it alone doesn't provide sufficient proof of my claim.

For me, the subway man's selfless act was merely further indication of what a wide array of data clearly demonstrates: Americans, on the whole, are a generous people. Sorry you have no stomach for that possibility. Now go out there and dig up newsclips of filthy rich Koreans donating half their wealth to public causes (re: Gates, Buffet, Turner, etc.) if you want to get my attention next time.

gangrene:

You're obviously still sore over the prosaic thumping you took the last time you tried to savage my argument. Try to see things more clearly with your one good eye.

Read the social historians (or others) that I mentioned before you talk off the top of your pointed heads.

Note: I welcome other posters taking issue with me but when the retort turns to insult I will give back better than I get. McGarrett never backs down from false charges.

[Pligganease]

stevemcgarrettdouchebag:

Quit with the idiotic names. They aren't funny or witty. You're losing this argument badly, so I think you should quit while you're behind.

[stevemcgarrett]

Pligg:

I see, you mean I should just launch into outright vulgar name-calling like you. Since you've never engaged me in a dialogue on this issue, much less an argument, I hardly think you're the one to have the final say.

Whether you like it or not, a strong case can be made that the inordinate devotion to family in East Asian society has left little room for humanitarianism toward strangers, especially at the governmental and corporate levels. Individuals in all societies will sometimes rise above these expectations, as I acknowledged must earlier in this thread if you bothered to notice.

I realize that many who frequent this forum are cultural relativists, thinking that essentially you cannot or should not compare cultures because each is unique, ad nauseum.

I have criticized my own culture in other threads here, and besides, what I have posted is more an observation than an accusation although admittedly I don't approve of East Asian attitudes in this regard. I think most East Asians believe the family has the obligation to help the less fortunate in their midst to a degree one doesn't find in the West.

Chew on that bone for awhile.

[Pligganease]

Yo..

I am the king of futile arguments, as many on here will attest.

Your basis for argument is as follows.

a) A man saves a stranger from uncertain death in a subway tunnel in the U.S.

b) This means Americans are more giving or are more thoughtful of others than Asians.

c) Equal deeds and evidence were presented showing the fallacy of the basis of your argument.

d) You ignored it.

[stevemcgarrett]

Pligosaurus:

1. People who have to say they're cool usually aren't. Only those with juvenile thinking are concerned with their coolness anyway
2. Enumerating your claims doesn't amount to an argument.
3. I referenced sources for you to pursue; I'm not the first to make
this observation in print.
4. I'm not going to summarize their observations for you. Then you'd accuse me of distorting their views. That's a waste of my time.
5. You are a waste of my time.

[mithridates]