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dulouz
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 Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:18 am Post subject: My Struggle - Few people attend church anymore. |
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I have difficulties with this viewpoint when its used to state that Christianity is dead or decaying. Prima Facie, it doesn't look good. It can't look good . These claims are often offered eagerly along with a suggestion that the stater's view point is most modern and informed and of course should be considered most seriously.
Few people attend church anymore. Thats pretty weighty, but what does it mean? Its a credibility heavy assertion typically from people that aren't knowledgeable. This means they don't know what they talking about.
Few people attend church anymore. This means they aren't Christians. Right? Do you have evidence they aren't Chistians? No. You have evidence they don't go to church much any more.
Why do we go to church on Sunday?
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8Remember the sabbath day, and keep it holy. 9Six days you shall labor and do all your work. 10But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work�you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns. 11For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and consecrated it.
12Observe the sabbath day and keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you. 13For six days you shall labour and do all your work. 14But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work�you, or your son or your daughter, or your male or female slave, or your ox or your donkey, or any of your livestock, or the resident alien in your towns, so that your male and female slave may rest as well as you. 15Remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day.
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Thats why we go to church on Sunday. I have always been told the story of the man that went to church every Sunday of his life but still went to Hell. He asked God why and made his argument and God told him "Going to church is a small part of your obligations, you failed in most other areas. Now burn".
"Going to church" is small potatoes. Its a superficial act and the people who use this argument very typically go no further in researching this claim. What they do is make rules for other's religions and then try and convict you by those rules. Please, keep your hands off my religion.
Church attendence is largely for community and political reasons but not going is still a sin. There are many requirements in that commandment, any violation will send you to hell without confession. Read closely, do you not work on Saturday? You likely don't. You are supposed to work on Saturday. That is sinful and you are going to hell without confession.
Why then, not make this claim? Many people do not work on Saturday and therefore violate a commandment and subsequently are not Christians, therefore Christianity is dead. You should listen to me now, for I am the Enlightened One".
Christians that do not go to church are sinning Christians, they are not non-Christians. I'm sorry, but this line of reasoning has more confrontation that reason. |
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Gamecock
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:50 am Post subject: |
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On the other hand
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:28 am Post subject: |
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Okay, there is now no question in my mind that Dulouz is a professional troll...
Anyone care to translate this into the original? |
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canuckistan
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Location: Training future GS competitors.....
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:01 am Post subject: |
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Okay, there is now no question in my mind that Dulouz is a professional troll...
Anyone care to translate this into the original? |
"Mein Kampf" came to mind even before I got to your post. |
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dulouz
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| Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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I have many struggles. I have many questions about things that aren't in current headlines. Posts like this are awkward to introduce. I don't have a pithy headline to C&P. This subject is never directly stated. Ever. Its used
by BBC et al to support another viewpoint. Its onion skinned in ... more |
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ThePoet
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: No longer in Korea - just lurking here
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Uh...First of all, the sabbath day, being the seventh day of the week, is Saturday, not Sunday. Check any calendar, or if you want the holy inference, ask a Jew, who always observes the sabbath as sunset Friday to Sunset on Saturday...
So going to church on Sunday has nothing to do with the Sabbath (Sunday is commonly referred to as "lord's day".
Secondly, when Jesus, was walking through the fields on the Sabbath, and they were picking wheat grains to eat as they walked, the Pharasees were outraged. Jesus answer was "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath". In other words, if you have things to do on Saturday, and you can't avoid working so you can eat or be able to rest comfortably, then go ahead and do so.
As for attending church, Jesus also said that it is better to worship in the darkness of a small room alone, than be extravagent and show off yourself (paraphrase...as I cannot find the exact scripture). So if someone is worshipping but choosing to do it privately and not go to church, who are you, or who am I to say they are wrong?
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Kimchi Cowboy
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Technology is the new religion.
Peace and inner harmony through individualized, self-imposed isolationism!
Buy an iPod and a PSP and find your Nirvana, brutha. |
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fiveeagles
Joined: 19 May 2005
Location: Vancouver
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 12:03 am Post subject: Re: My Struggle - Few people attend church anymore. |
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I have difficulties with this viewpoint when its used to state that Christianity is dead or decaying. Prima Facie, it doesn't look good. It can't look good . These claims are often offered eagerly along with a suggestion that the stater's view point is most modern and informed and of course should be considered most seriously.
Few people attend church anymore. Thats pretty weighty, but what does it mean? Its a credibility heavy assertion typically from people that aren't knowledgeable. This means they don't know what they talking about.
Few people attend church anymore. This means they aren't Christians. Right? Do you have evidence they aren't Chistians? No. You have evidence they don't go to church much any more.
Why do we go to church on Sunday?
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8Remember the sabbath day, and keep it holy. 9Six days you shall labor and do all your work. 10But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work�you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns. 11For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and consecrated it.
12Observe the sabbath day and keep it holy, as the Lord your God commanded you. 13For six days you shall labour and do all your work. 14But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work�you, or your son or your daughter, or your male or female slave, or your ox or your donkey, or any of your livestock, or the resident alien in your towns, so that your male and female slave may rest as well as you. 15Remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the Lord your God brought you out from there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm; therefore the Lord your God commanded you to keep the sabbath day.
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Thats why we go to church on Sunday. I have always been told the story of the man that went to church every Sunday of his life but still went to Hell. He asked God why and made his argument and God told him "Going to church is a small part of your obligations, you failed in most other areas. Now burn".
"Going to church" is small potatoes. Its a superficial act and the people who use this argument very typically go no further in researching this claim. What they do is make rules for other's religions and then try and convict you by those rules. Please, keep your hands off my religion.
Church attendence is largely for community and political reasons but not going is still a sin. There are many requirements in that commandment, any violation will send you to hell without confession. Read closely, do you not work on Saturday? You likely don't. You are supposed to work on Saturday. That is sinful and you are going to hell without confession.
Why then, not make this claim? Many people do not work on Saturday and therefore violate a commandment and subsequently are not Christians, therefore Christianity is dead. You should listen to me now, for I am the Enlightened One".
Christians that do not go to church are sinning Christians, they are not non-Christians. I'm sorry, but this line of reasoning has more confrontation that reason. |
I think church is an important aspect of community. I know you can be a Christian and not go to church, but I think it would be a lot harder to maintain your relationship with Christ without support around you.
I think also that we will see many fall away from Christianity. Jesus propheised it many years ago, right?
"many will fall away" (Matt. 24:10).
In a society where a lot of churches are full of hypocrisy and ever evil thing, its easy to understand why people are leaving it. |
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ED209
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ella
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| I think church is an important aspect of community. I know you can be a Christian and not go to church, but I think it would be a lot harder to maintain your relationship with Christ without support around you. |
Nicely said, fiveeagles. |
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