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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:29 am    Post subject: Students rant Reply with quote

Okay, here's the story. I work for a website where I correct students' writing. I also do phone lessons.

A few months ago, I started teaching a girl named Subin ten-minute phone lessons each day. She's about 15 and a bright student. She sends me her short stories and she has a strong fiction-writing voice.

At the beginning of the month, because I was doing such a good job, they registered her 13-year-old sister Sujin. This girl is a little below her sister's level, but she's a very eager student who talks and talks and keeps going. Her writing is alright too.

So their 16-year-old cousin signed up recently. This girl can barely understand me, and her most common answer is "HUH??!!!" (I don't know how Koreans would spell it). Her writing is nearly unintelligible.

I mentioned to Subin, who's one year younger, that her sister has trouble understanding me, speaking English, and writing.

She said, "Yeah but she's good at English. She's not good at listening, or speaking, or writing, but she gets high scores on tests."

Brilliant! One girl who is fluent in English and a talented writer, and one girl who's on the fast track to the same level, are outranked by a girl who doesn't know how to respond to "How was your day?"
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Brilliant! One girl who is fluent in English and a talented writer, and one girl who's on the fast track to the same level, are outranked by a girl who doesn't know how to respond to "How was your day?"


That's a good illustration that speaking is separate from the other skills. Frustrating, isn't it?
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Fresh Prince



Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: The glorious nation of Korea

PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's really unfortunate. Her family probably spent a lot of money on her education and all she got for her hard work was the ability to pass tests.

I don't know if this applies to Korea but other parts of Asia there are special schools that train their students to master test taking skills for specific tests. MIT had an article (which I can't find) that mentioned how difficult it was for their admissions department to do their job because so many of their foreign applicants were scoring ridiculously high on the GRE and when they came to study, their English was barely understandable. If the students have a large enough vocabulary then they can probably do well on multiple choice sections on a test. Confused
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Mashimaro



Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: location, location

PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah I once met a girl famed for her exceptionally high TOEIC score, yet struggled to hold even a simple conversation in English. After meeting her, she really seemed to have little interest in learning to converse in English, I guess like many others TOEIC was just their ticket to some office job.
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billybrobby



Joined: 09 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You ever see the opposite? Once I was talking to this Korean and her English was very very natural and she never misheard anything I said. Then later she wrote me an email and it was f-cking unintelligble.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

billybrobby wrote:
You ever see the opposite? Once I was talking to this Korean and her English was very very natural and she never misheard anything I said. Then later she wrote me an email and it was f-cking unintelligble.


I encounter the opposite of that more often, Koreans who can't speak a word of English, but I can communicate with fine over MSN.

But anyway, these three girls are in the extremes: great at writing and speaking, or terrible at both.
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Hater Depot



Joined: 29 Mar 2005

PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

billybrobby wrote:
You ever see the opposite? Once I was talking to this Korean and her English was very very natural and she never misheard anything I said. Then later she wrote me an email and it was f-cking unintelligble.


I once had dinner with a student's father who was like that. He travels abroad for his business about every two weeks... I kind of assume that if his writing was better he could save a lot on plane tickets. Maybe he just had his idiot secretary write the e-mails to me.
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