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swetepete

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Posted: Mon Jan 08, 2007 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, but Gandalf was gay. Enoch never buggered a hobbit. |
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luvnpeas

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| I started Quicksilver this week. The first fifty pages are pretty dull: too much contrived conversation between characters, intended to deliver a lecture. Is the whole things like this? |
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mack the knife

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Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:16 am Post subject: |
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| I started Quicksilver this week. The first fifty pages are pretty dull: too much contrived conversation between characters, intended to deliver a lecture. Is the whole things like this? |
In the end, it's a satisfying read. And you might even learn something. |
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shifter2009

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Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 4:47 am Post subject: |
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| I started Quicksilver this week. The first fifty pages are pretty dull: too much contrived conversation between characters, intended to deliver a lecture. Is the whole things like this? |
In the end, it's a satisfying read. And you might even learn something. |
I've been putting off reading them myself, the length of the series is pretty daunting. Cryto was like 900 some off pages wasn't it? This is like is what, 4 books that long? I know its worth doing, its just getting started on them thats tough |
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ernie
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Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 7:38 am Post subject: |
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| the baroque cycle is awesome... pretty wordy, but that's the point of reading, right? |
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swetepete

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Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| It gets much, much better. Half-Cocked Jack rules. |
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jhaelin
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Posted: Thu Jan 11, 2007 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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difference engine - w.gibson
it's cyberpunk, steampunk and one of the main characters is a woman. |
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luvnpeas

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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 12:22 am Post subject: |
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Reading Quicksilver (still bored) and thinking about this thread, it occurred to me that a good candidate for "grandfather of cyberpunk" is Samuel R. Delany. I haven't read his books in ages, and it's possible he hasn't written any in ages. But, when I recall his worlds, they do seem to have a strong proto-cyberpunk character, much more so than Dick's.
Has anybody read Phillip Pullman's trilogy "His Dark Materials?" (known in the US as The Golden Compass). |
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mack the knife

Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: standing right behind you...
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 2:54 am Post subject: |
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If you want to go waaaaaay back to look for the grandfather of cyberpunk, you'll find Poe.
Brooding. Pessimistic. Mind-altering. Mechanical things ruining people's sh*t. |
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Delirium's Brother

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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:12 am Post subject: |
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| mack the knife wrote: |
If you want to go waaaaaay back to look for the grandfather of cyberpunk, you'll find Poe.
Brooding. Pessimistic. Mind-altering. Mechanical things ruining people's sh*t. |
The grandfather of steampunk! |
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oneiros

Joined: 19 Aug 2003 Location: Villa Straylight
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Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Delirium's Brother wrote: |
| mack the knife wrote: |
If you want to go waaaaaay back to look for the grandfather of cyberpunk, you'll find Poe.
Brooding. Pessimistic. Mind-altering. Mechanical things ruining people's sh*t. |
The grandfather of steampunk! |
Clearly, Kafka's got to fit in there somewhere too. Paranoia, confusion, secrecy, shifting realities, weird scary machines, and castles you can never get to. (Okay, maybe not that last bit.) |
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