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JJMcClure
Joined: 22 Nov 2006
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I don't understand why the poms dropped him so quick after he resigned as captain. Still an outstanding player with much experience to offer.
galaxy? what kind of a name for a football team is that???? |
I disagree. Beckham was never an outstanding player. He was a dead ball specialist and as such scored a lot of goals for a right winger. He was found out at Madrid in my opinion.
If Best, Pele and Cryuff couldn't bring the game of football to the US masses then, I'm sorry, nobody can. We just have to face the fact that Americans will never embrace a game that has 0-0 as a possible scoreline. Major T.V. networks over there will never show a sport that doesn't allow for commercial breaks every 15 seconds either. |
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ThePoet
Joined: 15 May 2004
Location: No longer in Korea - just lurking here
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 3:57 am Post subject: |
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25 years ago, the North American Soccer League got Pele to come to the league to give the league legitimacy.
For those of you who remember what happened...Pele did not make an impact at all in the NASL or bringing fans to the stands...
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http://www.hickoksports.com/biograph/pele.shtml
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| His fame was so great, even among Americans who knew little or nothing about soccer, that NASL attendance increased by nearly 80 percent during his three years in the league. |
What do you think one of the big reasons why there are so many soccer moms now? Pele put soccer on the map in the US. |
80% of miniscule is still miniscule....and tell me, where is the NASL now???
Just asking.
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| where is the NASL now??? |
This is were Pele made his impact:
http://www.decatursports.com/articles/soccer_participation.htm
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YOUTH TEAM SPORTS RANKINGS
Participants 12 - 17 (000)
1. Basketball 12,409
2. Volleyball 7,493
3. Soccer 4,981
4. Football (Tackle) 4,879
5. Softball 4,509
6. Baseball 4,321
7. Ice Hockey 622
Participants 6 - 11 (000)
1. Basketball 11,014
2. Soccer 8,646
3. Baseball 4,400
4. Softball 4,243
5. Volleyball 3,767
6. Football (Tackle) 2,740
7. Ice Hockey 508 |
Would you have heard of the NASL or the NY Cosmos without Pele? The USFL is remembered for Hershel Walker. The XFL for He Hate Me. And NASL is remembered for Pele. That and $4 will get you a latte at Starbucks.  |
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SarcasmKills
Joined: 07 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 4:49 am Post subject: |
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As shown by some of the earlier posts, Pele did make a difference.. especially in getting the youth leagues to grow in popularity...
Beckham will do more for the league commercially because unlike the other guys who were superior in skill, he's not an ugly mother tucker...
Little girls, teenagers and soccer moms of all shapes and sizes are going to go to the games... and even after the initial curiousity of him runs out, the Asians still love the sheit out of him... He'll do even more towards helping youth leagues IMO as well... Soccer moms will want their sons to be the next Beckham..
The hype machine is going to go into overdrive on this one.... |
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Hanson
Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:15 am Post subject: |
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I can't help but be reminded of when The Great One got traded from Edmonton to the LA Kings in the late 80's.
It helped boost interest in NHL hockey (not "ice hockey"...) in the US. |
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SarcasmKills
Joined: 07 Apr 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 5:33 am Post subject: |
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I can't help but be reminded of when The Great One got traded from Edmonton to the LA Kings in the late 80's.
It helped boost interest in NHL hockey (not "ice hockey"...) in the US. |
Not a good comparison at all... Most American kids don't play hockey...
Soccer in America, as in Canada, is the most played sport by kids... but once these kids hit a certain age skill level and interest levels off...
He will be helpful for the league, and all North American soccer leagues, unless he sucks up the scene right away... |
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jurassic5
Joined: 02 Apr 2003
Location: PA
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good article concerning Beck's contract.
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In the furor following the announcement that global soccer icon David Beckham has agreed to what appears to be a record-breaking $250 million, five-year contract with the L.A. Galaxy, most of the questions have centered quite rightfully on what Beckham will do for the league and how Major League Soccer will fund the deal (and perhaps bankrupt itself in the process).
The simple answer is that MLS and AEG won't actually pay for the contract -- at least not the bulk of it. AEG, a subsidiary of the Anschutz Company, helps ensure MLS' financial backing and owns the Chicago Fire, Houston Dynamo and Los Angeles Galaxy; when the league was founded, AEG owned most MLS teams.
On first glance, Beckham's deal appears to be the biggest contract in sports history (reportedly paying Beckham $50 million for 2007), dwarfing that of the heavy hitters and trendsetters in other major sports (MLB's Alex Rodriguez made $25 million in 2006 and the NBA's Kevin Garnett is making $21 million over the course of the '06-'07 season).
However, on closer inspection, one can see that the reported contract estimates have been carefully worded. AP reported that the Galaxy, citing industry experts, said the Beckham deal "is worth more than $250 million in salary and commercial endorsements." The key phrase to note here are the words "commercial endorsements" and not the word "salary." It's actually more an estimate of what people think he could potentially earn as opposed to what he will receive annually in paychecks from MLS and the Galaxy.
The reality is this: The salary portion of Beckham's deal is relatively minuscule compared to the huge figures being bandied around and is well in line with what most top soccer players around the world earn. Bear in mind also that Beckham probably decided only on Thursday to sign with MLS after Real Madrid's contract offer almost certainly would have required him to take a pay cut (this is conjecture, though, since the details of his negotiations with Real Madrid have not been made public).
A league source confirmed to ESPNsoccernet's Kristian Dyer two weeks ago that the offer on the table from MLS to Beckham was a four-year deal worth $36 million in salary (at $9 million annually). Reuters' Michelle Nichols reported Thursday that MLS sources say his annual playing income is only in the "single-figure millions." Even if MLS upped its original annual salary offer, the logical assumption is that it would only be by a few additional million or so per year.
Since Beckham is reportedly making $6 million to $7 million per year with Real, paying anywhere from a $2 million to $4 million premium to land him is just smart business.
This being the case, remember this: According to the Designated Player Rule, MLS is on the hook for only $400,000 of Beckham's salary, with AEG and the Galaxy stumping up the remaining $8 million to $10 million.
So where, exactly, is the remaining $39 million to $40 million a year coming from?
The simple answer is endorsements and creative clauses stemming from Beckham agreeing to play in MLS. It's rumored that Adidas will be paying an additional $5 million to $6 million a year just to sponsor the Galaxy's jersey, ironic since they already manufacture them. If that doesn't tell the story of Beckham's endorsement appeal, nothing else will -- and presumably Beckham will get a cut of that fee.
"Most of the value is from David's worldwide endorsement," MLS deputy commissioner Ivan Gazidis told Reuters on Thursday. "That's a separate deal. That's his deal with [Creative Artists Agency] and 19 Entertainment. That's not something we're involved in."
19 Entertainment, for those of you who don't know, is Simon Fuller's company. The same Simon Fuller who created and owns the rights to the "American Idol" and "Pop Idol" phenomenon. He's also the one-time guiding mentor behind the success of the Spice Girls and the former Posh Spice herself, Victoria Beckham.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that as part of the lure to draw Beckham to MLS, one can assume the Beckhams will be given a varied array of choices in film and TV with which to conquer America. Whether this will result in the much-mooted talk show for Posh, a "Beckhams" reality TV show or Victoria's addition to the "American Idol" judge panel, one can only wonder. However, it's clear that a large portion of that additional $40 million or so annually factors in the prospective TV and film platforms.
Endorsement-wise, the figure also probably contains the values of any proposed deals that Beckham will sign pending his arrival in MLS. Again, it's pretty safe to conclude that certain domestic U.S. brands will only have agreed to use Beckham as an advertising spokesman if he's actually in MLS.
The exact parameters of his deal are still undisclosed and MLS has so far been unwilling to comment specifically, but there might also be language in the contract about Beckham's percentage of gate receipts or commission from shirt sales.
There's no doubt there are clauses about Beckham's image rights, the source of much contention with Real Madrid, which wanted to retain 50 percent control over his rights in any new deal. Presumably the Galaxy agreed to take a lesser portion of his image rights, or even ceded Beckham total control over his image rights. Perhaps AEG has lined up additional investors willing to invest in Beckham's soccer academy project.
It's hard to put an exact dollar amount on all of this without knowing the specifics, but it's clear at this point that the bulk of his $250 million deal factors in external elements outside of MLS and AEG that are contributing to the total valuation. Clearly the $250 million figure being bandied about is just another example of the clever marketing machine behind the Beckham brand, designed to raise the profile of Beckham and the MLS deal even further.
Case in point: When the NBA's Cleveland Cavaliers signed high school phenom LeBron James in 2003, they signed him to a three-year deal that paid him $12.96 million. If James' advisers used the same creative license that Beckham's advisers have done, they could easily have factored in James' reported $90 million shoe deal with Nike at the time and other various endorsements (such as Sprite) and reported that James had signed a deal "estimated to be worth up to $120 million-plus, richest ever for a teenager in sports history."
This being the case, the naysayers can stop panicking about the inevitable ruination of MLS finances. Yes, MLS will continue to pursue other high-profile players in the wake of the Beckham deal, but as in the case of the Beckham deal, they'll proceed with fiscal prudence and won't break the bank to get them.
"The league will continue to operate on a sensible stage," said Jon Oram of Proskauer Rose, one of the two lawyers who worked on the Beckham contract. Mention the possibility of player unrest and any potential labor dispute as a result of Beckham's salary, and it's something the league has already taken into account.
"Our labor lawyers have consulted with MLS, and [Beckham's contract] has been thoroughly vetted in that respect," said Brad Ruskin, who also worked on the deal.
So what does it all mean? No doubt there might be a jealous player or someone out to make his name who could choose to take an in-game swipe at Beckham, but it's hardly a situation Beckham hasn't already faced elsewhere in the world. The reality is that most MLS players are smart enough to realize that in the long run, the Beckham deal will probably mean more money for them all. As for MLS? Given the true rationale behind the figures, it's safe to assume the league or the Galaxy won't be bankrupting themselves anytime soon over this deal. |
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Kimchi Cowboy
Joined: 17 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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25 years ago, the North American Soccer League got Pele to come to the league to give the league legitimacy.
For those of you who remember what happened...Pele did not make an impact at all in the NASL or bringing fans to the stands...
For those of you who don't remember the NASL...I rest my case.
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Has anyone here seen the movie, "One in a Lifetime" about the rise, glory, and subsequent collapse of the NASL? Even if you're not a soccer fan, it's worth watching. Probably one of the greatest sports documentaries ever.
Anyway, this move just smacks of what happened with the NASL bringing over Pele, Giorgio Chinaglia, Franz Beckenbauer, George Best, etc.
This is probably just the first of many such moves. Get ready for the "next wave of soccer". |
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JeJuJitsu
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
Location: McDonald's
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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25 years ago, the North American Soccer League got Pele to come to the league to give the league legitimacy.
For those of you who remember what happened...Pele did not make an impact at all in the NASL or bringing fans to the stands...
For those of you who don't remember the NASL...I rest my case.
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Has anyone here seen the movie, "One in a Lifetime" about the rise, glory, and subsequent collapse of the NASL? Even if you're not a soccer fan, it's worth watching. Probably one of the greatest sports documentaries ever.
Anyway, this move just smacks of what happened with the NASL bringing over Pele, Giorgio Chinaglia, Franz Beckenbauer, George Best, etc.
This is probably just the first of many such moves. Get ready for the "next wave of soccer". |
Download the torrent here:
http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/489817/7868721/
I don't think a lot of you understand the significance here--MLS outbid Real Madrid in a bidding war.
This will happen 11 more times in the next few weeks or months. Each team in MLS is allowed one player of the Beckham calibur/expense.
...and this has all been done with the explicit intention of not following the old NASL's past mistakes, and have an excellent, viable business plan in place for the league. The league has been planning for this eventuality for 10 years, and the time is now. Like it or not, the top league in the world will be US-based, I say in under 10 years, as...well, that's where most of the world's money is. |
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shifter2009
Joined: 03 Sep 2006
Location: wisconsin
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Kimchi Cowboy wrote: |
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25 years ago, the North American Soccer League got Pele to come to the league to give the league legitimacy.
For those of you who remember what happened...Pele did not make an impact at all in the NASL or bringing fans to the stands...
For those of you who don't remember the NASL...I rest my case.
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Has anyone here seen the movie, "One in a Lifetime" about the rise, glory, and subsequent collapse of the NASL? Even if you're not a soccer fan, it's worth watching. Probably one of the greatest sports documentaries ever.
Anyway, this move just smacks of what happened with the NASL bringing over Pele, Giorgio Chinaglia, Franz Beckenbauer, George Best, etc.
This is probably just the first of many such moves. Get ready for the "next wave of soccer". |
Download the torrent here:
http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/489817/7868721/
I don't think a lot of you understand the significance here--MLS outbid Real Madrid in a bidding war.
This will happen 11 more times in the next few weeks or months. Each team in MLS is allowed one player of the Beckham calibur/expense.
...and this has all been done with the explicit intention of not following the old NASL's past mistakes, and have an excellent, viable business plan in place for the league. The league has been planning for this eventuality for 10 years, and the time is now. Like it or not, the top league in the world will be US-based, I say in under 10 years, as...well, that's where most of the world's money is. |
Doesn't that assume that once this players are in America, someone will actually watch then? There will be alot of storys of these guys coming over here but it won't translate into ratings and there for the MLS won't get big time TV contracts like the NFL, NBA, ect. Americans just don't dig soccer out side of youth leagues. In Lord Football we trust and some british guy who is married to a Spice Girl isn't gonna change the country's mind.
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jurassic5
Joined: 02 Apr 2003
Location: PA
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| Posted: Fri Jan 12, 2007 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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as a fan of soccer in the USA. i like the signing of beckham. i mean...it can't possibly hurt the sport can it? with the likes of edgar davids and ronaldo also getting ready to join MLS (along with Claudio Reyna)...this upcoming season will be an interesting one.
while i don't think signing stars that are in the twilight of their careers will make MLS one of the 4 major leagues in the USA...i hope that it does peak a bit more interest towards soccer in the States (along with keeping the millions of youth soccer players interested in the sport and league).
i also hope that maybe in 5 or 6 years, that rather than the likes of Clint Dempsey heading to Fulham etc...that maybe MLS will have enough recognition and respect to keep some of America's better soccer players from going abroad. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:00 am Post subject: |
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I don't think a lot of you understand the significance here--MLS outbid Real Madrid in a bidding war.
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Beckham was never going to get playong time at Real. Thats why he chose to go to LA. The funny thing is nobody else wanted him. Have fun with that reject.
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| This will happen 11 more times in the next few weeks or months. Each team in MLS is allowed one player of the Beckham calibur/expense. |
It will happen but only with over the hill, finished players who think they can still play, although they cant, and dont understand why they are warming benches.
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| Like it or not, the top league in the world will be US-based, I say in under 10 years, as...well, that's where most of the world's money is. |
Not a chance. |
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jurassic5
Joined: 02 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:09 am Post subject: |
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from the Independent...take this what you will.
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| The notion that Beckham, 31, signed for LA Galaxy because he had no chance of playing Champions' League football has been dismissed after sources revealed that he was pursued by some of the biggest names in world football |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jan 13, 2007 12:46 am Post subject: |
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http://www.hickoksports.com/biograph/pele.shtml
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| His fame was so great, even among Americans who knew little or nothing about soccer, that NASL attendance increased by nearly 80 percent during his three years in the league. |
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80% of miniscule is still miniscule.... |
Actually, the Cosmos started drawing some big crowds.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=cosmos
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| When the Cosmos' playoff match against the Fort Lauderdale Strikers drew 77,691, as opposed to the paltry 21,472 who turned out to watch the Yankees, it was as if a seismic shift had occurred in American sports. |
http://www.sover.net/~spectrum/nasl/naslhist.html
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| the most popular clubs (led by the Cosmos) that almost always attracted crowds in excess of 30000-40000 to their home games |
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| Clive Toye, the former Chicago & Toronto general manager, claimed the rapid expansion in 1978 (when seven expansion franchises were admitted to the league) was the main reason for the NASL's demise. |
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otis
Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 11:19 am Post subject: |
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Hello, my name is David Beckham.
I notice a lot of you yobs are using my name in vain. Why? Could it be jealousy?
I'm making 250 million; I have a hot wife; and, best of all, I'm now...American!
I don't care about any of you! Now go lay in the gutter and die.
By the way, when I'm in Louisiana, my friend Kevin is going to let me borrow his Chevy Suburban just to run you yobs down!
And there's not a thing you can do about it!
Put that in your crack pipe and smoke it! |
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