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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 1:09 am Post subject: Multiculturalism is failing in Canada claims new study |
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From the Globe and Mail..
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isible-minority immigrants are slower to integrate into Canadian society than their white, European counterparts, and feel less Canadian, suggesting multiculturalism doesn't work as well for non-whites, according to a landmark report.
The study, based on an analysis of 2002 Statistics Canada data, found that the children of visible-minority immigrants exhibited a more profound sense of exclusion than their parents.
Visible-minority newcomers, and their offspring, identify themselves less as Canadians, trust their fellow citizens less and are less likely to vote than white immigrants from Europe.
The findings suggest that multiculturalism, Canada's official policy on interethnic relations since 1971, is not working as well for newer immigrants or for their children, who hail largely from China, South Asia and the Caribbean, conclude co-authors Jeffrey Reitz, a University of Toronto sociologist, and Rupa Banerjee, a doctoral candidate.
It is also a warning that Canada, long considered a model of integration, won't be forever immune from the kind of social disruption that has plagued Europe, where marginalized immigrant communities have erupted in discontent, with riots in the Paris suburbs in the fall of 2005.
"We need to address the racial divide," Prof. Reitz said. "Otherwise there is a danger of social breakdown. The principle of multiculturalism was equal participation of minorities in mainstream institutions. That is no longer happening."
That is why even as the economic circumstances of newcomers improve over time, the path to integration does not necessarily become smoother for visible minorities.
The gap didn't narrow, but widened, with the next generation, with 42 per cent of all visible minority second-generation immigrants reporting discrimination, compared with 10.9 per cent of their white counterparts.
"There is a perception among minority communities that discrimination is part of their lives. Yet if you ask Canadians in general, they discount discrimination," Prof. Reitz noted.
The study's authors found that only 33 per cent of first-generation visible-minority immigrants identified as Canadians, compared with 64 per cent of white immigrants, while 70 per cent voted in the last federal election, compared with 82 per cent of white immigrants. Seventy-nine per cent of visible-minority immigrants had Canadian citizenship, compared with 97 per cent of white immigrants.
Regarding interpersonal trust -- trust of one's fellow citizens -- the response of blacks was markedly lower. Thirty per cent of blacks trusted their fellow citizens, compared with 50 per cent of white immigrants and 60 per cent of Chinese immigrants.
As for the children of visible-minority immigrants, 44 per cent of them felt a sense of belonging, compared with about 60 per cent of their parents. In contrast, 57 per cent of the children of white immigrants felt a sense of belonging, compared with 47 per cent of their parents.
While Canadians in general remain supportive of immigration, they also maintain a "social distance" from minorities, reflected in the study's findings, the authors noted.
"When you study the trend over time, visible minorities who were born here feel less like they belong than their parents," Prof. Reitz said.
Added Prof. Reitz: "Multiculturalism doesn't have specific goals and objectives. The majority population thinks too much is being done already, while minorities think the policy lacks credibility."
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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070112.wximmigrant12/BNStory/National/home
(read the comments to the article for a feeling of how Canadians are reacting to this)
I've thought this to be the case for a long, long while. Multiculturalism and massive third world immigration have been a giant liberal social experiment. White guilt and hate for ones own culture are no way to create a national identity, and it should come as no surprise that even second generation immigrants are likely not to feel Canadian. There is nothing to become, other than not American. Poor Canada.
As the quote goes, "immigration, multiculturalism, democracy. Choose any two". |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 2:00 am Post subject: Re: Multiculturalism is failing in Canada claims new study |
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BJWD wrote: |
As the quote goes, "immigration, multiculturalism, democracy. Choose any two". |
A quote that only you use.
Google gives us a total of one match. A match that is obviously you on itsallpolitics.com. What's that? You're cheating on us!!  |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 2:06 am Post subject: |
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The gap didn't narrow, but widened, with the next generation, with 42 per cent of all visible minority second-generation immigrants reporting discrimination, compared with 10.9 per cent of their white counterparts. |
No surprise. Racism will always exist. Second generation immigrants are more likely to move beyond their close knit ethnic communities and encounter racism. As well, their familiarity with the culture and language make it easier to detect racism.
I don't see anything in that study that is particularly surprising or damning of multiculturalism. It's the hard slog reality. |
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stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 3:10 am Post subject: |
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BJWD:
Why is it that the ONLY nations who are expected globally to exhibit ethnic and racial tolerance and celebrate cultural diversity are majority Caucasian?
The double-standard is breathtaking: Western Europe, North America and Australia/NZ are expected to welcome diversity, tolerate resistance to assimilation by those who come only for the economic benefits, but can never expect the same from majority non-white nations.
Imagine if Christians in the Middle East, for instance, demanded the same things that Muslim immigrants are demanding in the West these days. What would be the outcome, as if it needs to be asked?
Yet when ambulance chasers like the ACLU and Amnesty International expend all their energy savaging these majority Caucasian nations for not doing enough.
And when non-white nations try to preserve their traditional ways, it's called cultural solidarity. When white nations do it, it's called racism. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:20 am Post subject: Re: Multiculturalism is failing in Canada claims new study |
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huffdaddy wrote: |
BJWD wrote: |
As the quote goes, "immigration, multiculturalism, democracy. Choose any two". |
A quote that only you use.
Google gives us a total of one match. A match that is obviously you on itsallpolitics.com. What's that? You're cheating on us!!  |
The Quote is from Mark Steyn. I think he says "pick any two".
But it is true. The multicultural project is going to require a larger and larger state that will keep the peace between the races. Look to Singapore for the future of multicult. |
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Nowhere Man

Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:23 am Post subject: ... |
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But it is true. The multicultural project is going to require a larger and larger state that will keep the peace between the races. Look to Singapore for the future of multicult. |
Why? Are people immigrating to Singapore? |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:31 am Post subject: Re: Multiculturalism is failing in Canada claims new study |
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BJWD wrote: |
huffdaddy wrote: |
BJWD wrote: |
As the quote goes, "immigration, multiculturalism, democracy. Choose any two". |
A quote that only you use.
Google gives us a total of one match. A match that is obviously you on itsallpolitics.com. What's that? You're cheating on us!!  |
The Quote is from Mark Steyn. I think he says "pick any two". |
You know, I had a suspicion it orginated from that blowhard. For the record, it is "Democracy, immigration, multiculturalism. Pick any two." Borrowed of course from the "Good, fast, cheap. Pick two." theory. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:33 am Post subject: |
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No. Singapore has a very intrusive state apparatus that seeks to keep the peace between the Chinese and Malays. Discussing race is illegal in most settings. The state picks all imams and will not allow Malays into the medium to upper ranks of the army. The state is trying very hard to create a 'Singapore' identity but are finding that they have to control and shut up people to find even slight success.
Singapore is kept more unfree than it otherwise would be because of her racial makeup. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 4:58 am Post subject: |
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It seems to me that multiculturalism is the modern effort to bring the Enlightenment ideals of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness, Liberty, Equality and Fraternity closer to realization. No one ever said it would be easy. |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:03 am Post subject: |
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That is 100% wrong yata. The enlightenment is a culture. Multiculturalism is the attempt to let people behave in the way that their culture deems appropriate. If we wanted them to (rightly) embrace the enlightenment, we would tell them to toss their culture aside and embrace the enlightenment. Also know as assimilation. Multicult is the opposite of assimilation.
Remember, culture properly defined is a "shared perspective". The values and ideas of the enlightenment are a perspective in and of themselves. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 5:54 am Post subject: |
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I think you have much too narrow a view. During the Wars of Religion few thought Catholics and Protestants could ever live peacefully in one country.
I'm reminded of 'Gulliver's Travels', a novel that points out the silliness of many conflicts:
In the novel, Gulliver washes up on the shore of Lilliput and is 'captured' by the inhabitants while asleep. He discovers that Lilliput and Blefuscu are permanently at war because of differences over the correct way to eat a boiled egg � from the rounded end according to the Blefuscudians, or from the sharp end according to the Lilliputians...
The story is a parody of the European nations, particularly Britain and France, who were in Swift's view constantly at war over 'trivial' matters. The egg dispute was a mirror for the argument between consubstantiation and transubstantiation in the Church of England and the Roman Catholic Church.
(Wikipedia) |
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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:03 am Post subject: |
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How is my view narrow? Multiculturalism explicitly encourages people to retain their own way of knowing. This is the opposite of assimilating into the dominant culture. |
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ddeubel

Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:08 am Post subject: |
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Yata is perfectly correct in what the Enlightenment was and always is.....in my opinion.
It is about breaking free from tyranny, that tyranny specifically being others restricting individual freedoms and controlling what one should be, has the chance to be, can do , can dream of. The enlightenment was a "universalistic" view of human nature, in the clothing of individualism. It was NOT, the closed view that we each are seperate and distinct and some lesser and primitive (in our perspective).
It was an attempt to articulate and enact a break from hierarchy, from entrenched authority -- telling others what they should be and do. A break from exactly the position of the OP.
DD |
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thepeel
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:27 am Post subject: |
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Your ddelusional. If freedom awaits the people who immigrate to Canada, then it is their cultures they must escape from. The enlightenment undid much garbage in our culture, and multiculturalism prevents it from doing the same to the legions thirdworlders who enter Western nations each year.
Canada has a culture, or had one, and it is that culture that made Canada great. Many, many of the people who enter Canada ever year adhere to cultural practices that are exactly opposite of what made my country (once?) great. I don't care if they say "eh", watch hockey and eat at (over hyped) Tim Horton's. But they must respect the sovereignty of women, not raise their boys as chauvinistic pigs (a big problem in the Sikh, Muslim and Indian communities, but not exclusive to them) and so on. Also, they must leave their ethnic hatreds and racisms at home. Immigrants must accept the liberal values of Canada, or go home.
I all for a multiracial/ethnic Canada. But she must have one culture, and it must be a liberal, individualist culture. If this is not the case Canada will become like the human crap-shoots that these people are leaving. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003 Location: I walk along the avenue
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Posted: Sun Jan 14, 2007 6:45 am Post subject: |
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But they must respect the sovereignty of women, not raise their boys as chauvinistic pigs (a big problem in the Sikh, Muslim and Indian communities, but not exclusive to them) and so on. |
Thing is, though, even if Canada were to scrap its policy of official multiculturalism, I still don't think there would be anything to stop anyone who wanted to from raising their boys as chauvinist pigs. To the extent that that is happening, I don't think it's a result of government multiculturalism.
Canadian official multiculturalism is mostly about handing out grants to organizations claiming to represent the interests of various cultural groups. Do you have knowledge of these grants being used to promote sexist attitudes and practices? I am ambivalent at best about multiculturalism, and would not shirk from reading any evidence you may supply in opposition to it. |
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