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Old fat expat
Joined: 19 Sep 2005
Location: a caravan of dust, making for a windy prairie
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 Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:56 am Post subject: Uni offer - would you take it? |
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Offered a job at a university. Here is what was offered:
2.2 million/month
No severance
No housing allowance
No flight
15 hours of contact time-but no curriculum in place and no resources available.
I have:
~ a masters with first class honours
~ teaching experience at a Western university
~ 2 years experience doing research for education organizations in the West
~ 3 years experience in ESL.
Would you take this? |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:05 am Post subject: |
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Absolutely not.
If you are up for a new gig, PM me and I will Pm you details. |
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Darkness
Joined: 12 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 2:35 am Post subject: |
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HELL NO!!!
I only have a 3yr B.A and I make 2.2 with flight, severance and housing.
Tell them to go to hell! |
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simpleminds
Joined: 04 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:03 am Post subject: |
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No. I'm looking for a uni job, too, but, nope.
No housing is a dealbraker when the pay's that low. You have to do kid's camps, right? You've got a Masters, you can do better than that. |
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willardmusa
Joined: 28 May 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:14 am Post subject: Re: Uni offer - would you take it? |
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| Old fat expat wrote: |
Offered a job at a university. Here is what was offered:
2.2 million/month
No severance
No housing allowance
No flight
15 hours of contact time-but no curriculum in place and no resources available.
I have:
~ a masters with first class honours
~ teaching experience at a Western university
~ 2 years experience doing research for education organizations in the West
~ 3 years experience in ESL.
Would you take this? |
After you do the smart thing and turn down this insult of an offer, please do the information-sharing thing and let us know which university is trying to pull this. |
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English_Ocean
Joined: 17 Mar 2006
Location: You don't have the right to abuse me!
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 3:15 am Post subject: |
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| Don't waste a brain cell thinking about this one. |
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Old fat expat
Joined: 19 Sep 2005
Location: a caravan of dust, making for a windy prairie
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:02 am Post subject: |
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Well, I did some part-time work for them last semester. Put together 2 courses (second year business communication and third year interviewing with real university tests and exams, etc ) and received great feedback from the students and the other professors. So it was not as if they were risking anything as they had seen my work.
The department head really liked me a lot as well (to the point where I do private tutoring for his daughter and wife) but it was the university administration that was the deal breaker.
Their whole attitude was �take it or leave it-no negotiating�. O.K. � leave it. |
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J.B. Clamence
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 5:56 am Post subject: Re: Uni offer - would you take it? |
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No flight and no severance is standard for a university job. No negotiating is also standard because, as a uni job, if you don't want it, there are lots of people (including some with the same qualifications as you) who do. However, 2.2 is a bit low for a uni which does not offer housing, especially if it is somewhere where housing is expensive, like in a big city.
15 hours a week is decent for a university, but you didn't mention whether the entire breaks are paid leave or if you have to work during that time. That is important. If you you don't work breaks, that means you get 20+ weeks paid leave a year. That's not bad for 2.2 if you can get cheap housing. You may not make as much money as you can in a hakwon, but you'll have plentgy of free time to do whatever: travel, hobbies, or if you wanna make more money, with that much time off you will be in a position to do that.
Many people will immediately dismiss this job, saying "I make more at my hakwon," or "my hakwon gives me a flight and severance, so why should I take that?" Well, people don't usually get uni jobs for the money. They get them so that they don't have to work 30+ hours a week, so that they can have more than 10 days off a year, and so that they don't have to wonder whether the scumbag owner is going to screw them month after month. If I was working at a hakwon, and I had a chance to work 15 hrs a week with 20 weeks paid leave, I would take a paycut to do that -- absolutely. I'm not going to dismiss that kind of opportunity because of something petty like "they won't give me airfare."
Basically, you have to weigh the positive changes in your life this job will bring you and decide whether those changes are worth a paycut. As for me, I value my free time and vacation time, so that's an easy one. |
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ChuckECheese
Joined: 20 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:04 am Post subject: |
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| If it was 15 hours of contact time but no teaching and just showing your white face, it would be fine. If they require you to actually create curriculum and teach, forget it. |
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Zoot
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
Location: Bundang
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| ChuckECheese wrote: |
| If it was 15 hours of contact time but no teaching and just showing your white face, it would be fine. If they require you to actually create curriculum and teach, forget it. |
Creating cirriculum can be fun. Sometimes I think I'd prefer it to teaching from shizzazz materials. |
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tzechuk
Joined: 20 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:46 am Post subject: |
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No flight and no severance is standard for a university job. No negotiating is also standard because, as a uni job, if you don't want it, there are lots of people (including some with the same qualifications as you) who do. However, 2.2 is a bit low for a uni which does not offer housing, especially if it is somewhere where housing is expensive, like in a big city.
15 hours a week is decent for a university, but you didn't mention whether the entire breaks are paid leave or if you have to work during that time. That is important. If you you don't work breaks, that means you get 20+ weeks paid leave a year. That's not bad for 2.2 if you can get cheap housing. You may not make as much money as you can in a hakwon, but you'll have plentgy of free time to do whatever: travel, hobbies, or if you wanna make more money, with that much time off you will be in a position to do that.
Many people will immediately dismiss this job, saying "I make more at my hakwon," or "my hakwon gives me a flight and severance, so why should I take that?" Well, people don't usually get uni jobs for the money. They get them so that they don't have to work 30+ hours a week, so that they can have more than 10 days off a year, and so that they don't have to wonder whether the scumbag owner is going to screw them month after month. If I was working at a hakwon, and I had a chance to work 15 hrs a week with 20 weeks paid leave, I would take a paycut to do that -- absolutely. I'm not going to dismiss that kind of opportunity because of something petty like "they won't give me airfare."
Basically, you have to weigh the positive changes in your life this job will bring you and decide whether those changes are worth a paycut. As for me, I value my free time and vacation time, so that's an easy one. |
I am sorry but I got a uni job that pays me WAY MORE than 2.2 PLUS housing and severance at the end of my contract, and my standard hours are NINE, yes, NINE, and anything above and beyond is overtime.
All my vacation time is mine and I can even take time off during term time providing it is legitimate and I can show that I can reschedule my classes.
Not trying to show off or anything.. just want to let you know that if you push for it you CAN get what you want. Although I must admit I only pushed the salary bit - the others were already on offer... |
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ChuckECheese
Joined: 20 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:53 am Post subject: |
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| Zoot wrote: |
| ChuckECheese wrote: |
| If it was 15 hours of contact time but no teaching and just showing your white face, it would be fine. If they require you to actually create curriculum and teach, forget it. |
Creating cirriculum can be fun. Sometimes I think I'd prefer it to teaching from shizzazz materials. |
You'll have better fun when you're paid good money for your shizzazz materials.  |
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J.B. Clamence
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:29 am Post subject: |
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No flight and no severance is standard for a university job. No negotiating is also standard because, as a uni job, if you don't want it, there are lots of people (including some with the same qualifications as you) who do. However, 2.2 is a bit low for a uni which does not offer housing, especially if it is somewhere where housing is expensive, like in a big city.
15 hours a week is decent for a university, but you didn't mention whether the entire breaks are paid leave or if you have to work during that time. That is important. If you you don't work breaks, that means you get 20+ weeks paid leave a year. That's not bad for 2.2 if you can get cheap housing. You may not make as much money as you can in a hakwon, but you'll have plentgy of free time to do whatever: travel, hobbies, or if you wanna make more money, with that much time off you will be in a position to do that.
Many people will immediately dismiss this job, saying "I make more at my hakwon," or "my hakwon gives me a flight and severance, so why should I take that?" Well, people don't usually get uni jobs for the money. They get them so that they don't have to work 30+ hours a week, so that they can have more than 10 days off a year, and so that they don't have to wonder whether the scumbag owner is going to screw them month after month. If I was working at a hakwon, and I had a chance to work 15 hrs a week with 20 weeks paid leave, I would take a paycut to do that -- absolutely. I'm not going to dismiss that kind of opportunity because of something petty like "they won't give me airfare."
Basically, you have to weigh the positive changes in your life this job will bring you and decide whether those changes are worth a paycut. As for me, I value my free time and vacation time, so that's an easy one. |
I am sorry but I got a uni job that pays me WAY MORE than 2.2 PLUS housing and severance at the end of my contract, and my standard hours are NINE, yes, NINE, and anything above and beyond is overtime.
All my vacation time is mine and I can even take time off during term time providing it is legitimate and I can show that I can reschedule my classes.
Not trying to show off or anything.. just want to let you know that if you push for it you CAN get what you want. Although I must admit I only pushed the salary bit - the others were already on offer... |
I didn't say there is no better job around. I also have a job better than this, but that's not the point. The point is if you work at a hakwon, this can be a step up in my opinion. Sure there are a lot of better uni jobs, but if you're trying to get your foot in the uni door, sometimes you have to take what you can get at first and work your way up. Obviously if you already have a better uni job, then the above advice I gave does not apply to you. I thought I made it clear that my advice was directed at people who are looking to get a uni job. You can't always get the best gigs right off the bat. |
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rothkowitz
Joined: 27 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:36 am Post subject: |
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Why bother if you could get,say,2.5 in a hagwon?
Plus housing,severance,airfare,pension,visa sponsorship...in that Uni you'd end up working for 1.0 less each month. |
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J.B. Clamence
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:53 am Post subject: |
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It depends on your priorities. Personally, I would rather work 15 hrs. instead of 30 hrs. a week, get 20+ weeks of paid vacation instead of one, not have to work for a shady hakwon owner, and have something that looks good to put on my resume. To me, all that is worth 1 million less a month.
But I don't think it would be that much less. For one thing, universities usually pay pension, and the OP didn't say there is no pension on this one. |
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