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Hagwons Vs. Public Schools
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Cerebroden



Joined: 27 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:55 am    Post subject: Hagwons Vs. Public Schools Reply with quote

Can you guys give me a difinitive pros vs. cons of both? I'm wondering what the differences are, if any.
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rvintage



Joined: 05 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every week it seems there is this same exact question posted!!

FIND THE SEARCH TOOL ON THIS WEBSITE AND PUT IT TO GOOD USE!
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Cerebroden



Joined: 27 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

umm...have you used the search function on this site? What am I supposed to type in? Hagwons? or maybe just school.
So I pose the question again.
Any help would be appreciated.
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Voyeur



Joined: 19 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Public School is safer.

Hogwon is like more risk, more reward.

A really good Hogwan can be better in every way - esp. cash.

A really bad one can just be horrific though.

You feel lucky?
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rvintage wrote:
Every week it seems there is this same exact question posted!!

FIND THE SEARCH TOOL ON THIS WEBSITE AND PUT IT TO GOOD USE!


Have you ever actually tried using the search function? And is it really going to kill you to show a little restraint and just pass over the thread if the topic bothers you rather than taking the time to post this garbage? Man.. and people say I'm an assh*le who blasts people for asking questions..


To the OP, I've never worked in a public school, but I can give you the pros and cons of hagwon work. Furthermore, I'd like to point out that I hate working at a hagwon, because the cons outweigh the pros imo.

PROS:

- no waking up early for work.

- small class size (generally)

- more relaxed atmosphere and dress code

- sometimes, more or even total control given to the teacher regarding how to run the class


CONS:

- some hagwons change their schedules during winter and summer breaks, causing you to have to work morning hours; additionally, some may simply add a bunch of extra hours to your schedule during this time. rest assured that you will not be made aware of these practises prior to hiring, and may even be lied to about it.

- students constantly joining and dropping out

- schedule changing a lot; new classes added spontaneously

- sometimes, ridiculous behavior from students with no support from the director

- next to no vacation time

- many directors try to cheat you out of insurance, pension, and proper tax rate

- idiotic complaints from parents and directors; student as customer mentality

- in some cases, problems receiving full pay, on time
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Fresh Prince



Joined: 05 Dec 2006
Location: The glorious nation of Korea

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 3:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't have teaching experience then you are more likely then not to get a hogwan job. Some people like hogwans and some people dislike them. The hours are shorter (usually), the classes are less formal and they don't expect much from their foriegn teachers. If this is your first job then hogwans are a good opportunity to learn. I personally like working at a hogwan because of the ability to negotiate and the ability to learn.

If you have teaching experience then I suggest first look at public schools. The reward might not be as great but the risk will be less. There is a considerable amount of risk when you accept a job without seeing the school or the apartment.

There are good and bad experiences at both hogwans and public schools. There are a lot of hogwan jobs out there and they aren't all bad. There are a lot of people that complain here at Dave's but that's just because people don't normally post about the good things that they experience.

You can always quit your job after you have built up a little money. If you do your research and ask a lot of questions then you should be fine.
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Cerebroden



Joined: 27 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanx for the feedback,
It looks as if I'll be looking in to public school. I've heard too many nightmares from hagwons.
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Bibbitybop



Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The stickies and FAQs give a decent rundown of the pros and cons, too.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I could contribute many paragraphs to this topic but I already have, so figure out how to use the search engine.
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trinity24651



Joined: 05 Nov 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used the "search" with the exact wording and the following is what I found:

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/search.php?mode=results

Would you suggest that OP read them all in hopes of finding the right answer?
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Cerebroden



Joined: 27 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THANK YOU TRINITY!

self righteous people and their search function. ::slap::
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crazylemongirl



Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

see my rant here
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Qinella



Joined: 25 Feb 2005
Location: the crib

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

trinity24651 wrote:
I used the "search" with the exact wording and the following is what I found:

http://www.eslcafe.com/forums/korea/search.php?mode=results

Would you suggest that OP read them all in hopes of finding the right answer?


That just pulled up the search engine for me. But I did my own search, using the string "hagwon public" and got a slew of pages with topics having nothing to do with that.

It's funny how people b*tch and moan about how bad the search engine on this site is, but then when someone comes on and asks a question that has been discussed, people start demanding s/he "learn how to use the search function". Rolling Eyes
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Type into the search: "hagwon" "public school" "compare" and remember to click the "search ALL terms" category. And you'll find several previous threads making the comparisons.

The search command may not be the most straightforward but it's very useful.
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

if you are someone who does his homework and researches the hell out out of it before making a decision then...

it's much easier to ensure you get a good hagwon than a good public school

at least you can meet who would be your coworkers and visit what would be your apartment at a hagwon; at public schools you often can't, have no idea if you'll get the one psycho korean co-teacher who breathes down your neck and judges you at every instant, and forget trying to see what accommodations you'd be getting.

since I'm in Korea and I investigate my options thoroughly, I have found public school positions risky simply because a lot of info is not available (often decisions not yet made as to school location and accommodation). Introduce me to the co-teacher and show me the apartment then I would consider public positions. Until then, I'll take hagwons.
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