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Adventurer
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 Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 8:38 am Post subject: France claims EU fertility crown |
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France claims EU fertility crown
By Caroline Wyatt
BBC correspondent in Paris
Would-be president Segolene Royal has championed mothers' rights
France says it has now probably overtaken Ireland as Europe's most fertile country, with French women having an average of two children each.
Irish women have 1.9 children each, with the European average at 1.5.
The French birth rate has been growing steadily and has reached its highest level for 25 years.
Cheap childcare
The growth in the birth rate here over the past 25 years may well be thanks to successive governments' family-friendly policies.
The French state tries to make it easy for women to work and have children, rather than having to choose between the two.
Most French women can take time off from their jobs without too much financial loss, while childcare is cheap and generally good.
[I guess Harper should think about investing in similar policies otherwise Canada will have to get more and more immigrants. What is he doing to promote daycare and more Canadians to have children? The Italians might need something like this because they are at the bottom.]]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6268251.stm |
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Junior
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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The people having all the babies there are muslims.
timebomb. |
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Big_Bird
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
The people having all the babies there are muslims.
timebomb. |
Haha! I knew before I read your post that you were going to say exactly that!  |
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manlyboy
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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That's the first time ever I've heard that the French birth rate is as high as 2.0, and that only 1/5th of those are to immigrants. Statistics I've been seeing repeatedly from other sources put the birth rate at around 1.8, and that as many as 1/3rd of those are to immigrants. Meaning that if you take out the immigrant contribution, French women are on par with their Italian counterparts, and the government has absolutely nothing to feel "smug" about.
Could there be some statistical spin going on here?
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| The strong French birth rate is evident even on the streets of the capital, where it is not unusual to see a woman pushing a pram while trying to control another child or two. |
Is this for real? Can someone who's spent a fair amount of time in Paris back that up? Because when I was there for a week in '04 I saw nothing of the kind. The most striking demographic trend I noticed was that night time out and about in the suburbs felt a lot more like North Africa than it did Gay Paree. |
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cbclark4
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SPINOZA
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| Recently, the French government even increased a special one-year allowance to 1,000 euros (�659) a month paid to mothers who give up work for the year in order to have their third child. |
Good god, that's peanuts. And to have a THIRD child??
Women are to be paid at least double that if white chicks are to have more nippers. Money talks.
And yes, French birth rates being what they is clearly distorted if one-fifth of new-borns aren't, you know, erm......Frrrrench???. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:22 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
The people having all the babies there are muslims.
timebomb. |
That isn't what the article says and Britain has plenty of Muslims and is quite far behind France it seems. The article would have mentioned that if it was only due to the North Africans. |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:26 am Post subject: |
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I'll be as diplomatic as possible.
I have seen evidence that muslims are providing the 'baby boost' in France, from Mark Steyn's book America Alone. Now, I know that you all think he fabricated those stats, so, I would like it if perhaps someone could provide evidence that he is wrong. In other words, I would like to see evidence that if the muslim population was removed, France would still have a birthrate above the Southern Europe average of 1.4..
I have done some minor google searching of this, and it would seem that the right-wing types quote stats that you would all disagree with. But I do not see other stats being presented. |
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Privateer
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Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 6:29 am Post subject: |
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| Creches, tax-breaks, maternity leave....socialism in action! |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:12 am Post subject: |
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| BJWD wrote: |
I'll be as diplomatic as possible.
I have seen evidence that muslims are providing the 'baby boost' in France, from Mark Steyn's book America Alone. Now, I know that you all think he fabricated those stats, so, I would like it if perhaps someone could provide evidence that he is wrong. In other words, I would like to see evidence that if the muslim population was removed, France would still have a birthrate above the Southern Europe average of 1.4..
I have done some minor google searching of this, and it would seem that the right-wing types quote stats that you would all disagree with. But I do not see other stats being presented. |
Well, Britain has millions of Indian and Pakistani Muslims. Why are they behind? Do you know what the rate is for Euro-Francophones? The Muslims are 5% of the French population. Are their numbers enough to make them the winner by far? |
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thepeel
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 7:55 am Post subject: |
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They are between 6-9%, depending on who you talk to (6.3 from the left, 9 from the right).
Anyhow, I don't want to argue this again. Here is the evidence I have seen. Kindly post counter evidence and we can be done with it. Ok?
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