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ARE YOU A VICTIM OF 3RD WORLD IMMIGRANT DOUBLE STANDARDS?
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stevemcgarrett



Joined: 24 Mar 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:15 am    Post subject: ARE YOU A VICTIM OF 3RD WORLD IMMIGRANT DOUBLE STANDARDS? Reply with quote

I've decided to take a walk in this thread down the primrose path of political correctness, and snip of few of its delicate buds while I'm at it.

Some will undoubtedly accuse me of racist sentiments and summarily dismiss my complaint. So be it, I say.

Is anyone else irritated to the point of being sick and tired of all the mainstream media attention given to the supposed plight of recent immigrants "of color" to developed nations, especially Europe and North America?

I mean, now we've got the Indian government taking umbrage with the British government for not doing enough to curb racism within BBC reality TV. Oh, do defend yourselves. The honor--er, honour--of our hallowed Bollywood star Shilpa Shetty is at stake. We demand your concern!

Yeah, and never mind that the show participants our in self-imposed isolation and no one knows for sure what's going on. Never mind that in India class and race define the remnants of a caste system. And never mind that the British government doesn't lecture the Indians on this score.

Then you've got taxi drivers in Minneapolis who are Muslim and refuse to transport passengers who bring bottled alcohol and other prohibited duty free items into their cabs. Never mind that serving the airport is a privilege and comes with an understanding that all passengers must be served. Scandanavian Americans do demand their democratic principles but now lawyers for the taxi union are rushing to the defense of these "mistreated and disrespected" Muslim immigrant cabbies.

Oh, far be it for me to defend the French government but now Algerian immigrants are incensed by laws that forbid wearing traditional Muslim garb in the schools just as the same rules are chafing the Pakistani immigrants in Britain.

And last week the Danish, those notoriously interventionist neo-colonials of the Northlands, have had the temerity to resist Muslim immigrants in their midst who are STILL shouting for the heads of the magazine that published that "deplorable" cartoon of the great prophet Mohammed.

Just a thought: if these immigrants can't live with tolerance of thought and action, how about taking the next plane back to the countries of your birth where you can put your heads in the sand? Or maybe some hardy, masochistic minded Europeans or North Americans should immigrate to Pakistan, India, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Algeria and other bastions of liberty and tolerance and press the legal systems there for redress if they are so much as insulted.

Oh, wait, let's not lose our heads over this, figurately speaking of course. But then this might be the only way people like me can claim victimhood.
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i agree with you. 3rd world sucks.
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

this is the current events forum right? seems as though steve believes this is the "rant forum".
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Or maybe some hardy, masochistic minded Europeans or North Americans should immigrate to Pakistan, India, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Algeria and other bastions of liberty and tolerance and press the legal systems there for redress if they are so much as insulted.


I nominate you to lead the charge into Karachi.
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Nowhere Man



Joined: 08 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 1:29 pm    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

I dunno, Steve.

This seems pretty one-sided.

Gopher?
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kermo



Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.

PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the Shilpa story has been blown out of proportion, but there is a lot of racial hatred that stems from immigration (sit in a room with my grandfather and you'll get an earful.)
For instance, I am concerned with the way Muslims are not allowed to study or teach in France while wearing visible religious symbols, but nuns are allowed to wear headdresses and habits. How does one justify that?
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kermo wrote:
I think the Shilpa story has been blown out of proportion, but there is a lot of racial hatred that stems from immigration (sit in a room with my grandfather and you'll get an earful.)
For instance, I am concerned with the way Muslims are not allowed to study or teach in France while wearing visible religious symbols, but nuns are allowed to wear headdresses and habits. How does one justify that?


Nuns dont blow things up.
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Nowhere Man



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:28 pm    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

I believe the situation in France is about public schools, where nuns don't teach.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nuns dont blow things up.


You seem to be a subscriber to the "Guilty of driving while black" system of justice.
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jinju



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
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Nuns dont blow things up.


You seem to be a subscriber to the "Guilty of driving while black" system of justice.


Blacks dont intentionally plow into others.
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Ya-ta Boy



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'd think a photographer would be more aware of blindspots in his world vision.
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ddeubel



Joined: 20 Jul 2005

PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just a thought: if these immigrants can't live with tolerance of thought and action, how about taking the next plane back to the countries of your birth where you can put your heads in the sand? Or maybe some hardy, masochistic minded Europeans or North Americans should immigrate to Pakistan, India, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Algeria and other bastions of liberty and tolerance and press the legal systems there for redress if they are so much as insulted.


Once again a perfect example of a bigot in a suit.........hiding behind all his own cultural paraphenalia and insecurity.

Listen. We in the west should not build our societies both on divisiveness and intolerance. We should not, get down from the high and right ground of individual freedom and roll in the mud of where many other countries play. You advocate that and are wrong. You have no notion of how the west has developed pluralistically, based on principals hatched during the "enlightenment". You are a neandrathal.

DD
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jinju



Joined: 22 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ddeubel wrote:
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Just a thought: if these immigrants can't live with tolerance of thought and action, how about taking the next plane back to the countries of your birth where you can put your heads in the sand? Or maybe some hardy, masochistic minded Europeans or North Americans should immigrate to Pakistan, India, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Algeria and other bastions of liberty and tolerance and press the legal systems there for redress if they are so much as insulted.


Once again a perfect example of a bigot in a suit.........hiding behind all his own cultural paraphenalia and insecurity.

Listen. We in the west should not build our societies both on divisiveness and intolerance. We should not, get down from the high and right ground of individual freedom and roll in the mud of where many other countries play. You advocate that and are wrong. You have no notion of how the west has developed pluralistically, based on principals hatched during the "enlightenment". You are a neandrathal.

DD


I love it. So suddenly its ok to be tolerant of intolerance? The West isnt some wild wild west where anarchy reigns and we can all do as we please. People should leave their barbaric, backwards customs behind them when they come over. Pretty soon we will be accepting talaban enclaves because "the west should be tolerant of everyone". Thats bullshit.

Just because something is accepted in some shithole these people want to leave so much, doesnt make it worthy of acceptence.
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huffdaddy



Joined: 25 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:50 pm    Post subject: Re: ARE YOU A VICTIM OF 3RD WORLD IMMIGRANT DOUBLE STANDARDS Reply with quote

stevemcgarrett wrote:

Then you've got taxi drivers in Minneapolis who are Muslim and refuse to transport passengers who bring bottled alcohol and other prohibited duty free items into their cabs. Never mind that serving the airport is a privilege and comes with an understanding that all passengers must be served. Scandanavian Americans do demand their democratic principles but now lawyers for the taxi union are rushing to the defense of these "mistreated and disrespected" Muslim immigrant cabbies.



FYI,

http://www.startribune.com/191/story/766918.html

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"I was surprised and shocked when I heard it was an issue at the airport," said Faysal Omar. "Back in Somalia, there was never any problem with taking alcohol in a taxi."

Jama Dirie said, "If a driver doesn't pick up everyone, he should get his license canceled and get kicked out of the airport."

Two of the Somalis present defended the idea that Islam prohibits cabdrivers from transporting passengers with alcohol. An argument erupted. The consensus seemed to be that only a small number of Somalis object to transporting alcohol. It's a matter of personal opinion, not Islamic law, several men said.

Ahmed Samatar, a nationally recognized expert on Somali society at Macalester College, confirmed that view. "There is a general Islamic prohibition against drinking," he said, "but carrying alcohol for people in commercial enterprise has never been forbidden. There is no basis in Somali cultural practice or legal tradition for that.

"This is one of those new concoctions."It is being foisted on the Somali community by an inside or outside group," he added. "I do not know who."

But many Somali drivers at the airport are refusing to carry passengers with alcohol. When I asked Patrick Hogan, Metropolitan Airports Commission spokesman, for his explanation, he forwarded a fatwa, or religious edict, that the MAC had received. The fatwa proclaims that "Islamic jurisprudence" prohibits taxi drivers from carrying passengers with alcohol, "because it involves cooperating in sin according to the Islam."

The fatwa, dated June 6, 2006, was issued by the "fatwa department" of the Muslim American Society, Minnesota chapter, and signed by society officials.

The society is mediating the conflict between the cab drivers and the MAC. That seems odd, since the society itself clearly has a stake in the controversy's outcome.

How did the MAC connect with the society? "The Minnesota Department of Human Rights recommended them to us to help us figure out how to handle this problem," Hogan said.

Omar Jamal, director of the Somali Justice Advocacy Center, thinks he knows why the society is promoting a "no-alcohol-carry" agenda with no basis in Somali culture. "MAS is an Arab group; we Somalis are African, not Arabs," he said. "MAS wants to polarize the world, create two camps. I think they are trying to hijack the Somali community for their Middle East agenda. They look for issues they can capitalize on, like religion, to rally the community around. The majority of Somalis oppose this, but they are vulnerable because of their social and economic situation."
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what? huffdaddy are you telling me stevie is putting his spin on something? that the facts aren't totally in line with his statements? WOW! SHOCKING!
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