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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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 Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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The last part was funny. No one to the left of Reagan type politics:)
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Hey, glad to see you're finally in on the joke! 
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| I am not really familiar with her. What grabs you about her work. |
I've only read about three books and a handful of essays by her, and that was a while ago. It's kind of hard to say what exactly grabs me about her work, but I do enjoy it. I posted the avatar mostly because I think it's a great photograph.
Incidentally, McCarthy was an early champion of William S. Burroughs' Naked Lunch, and is regarded by many as being pivotal in that books attainment of critical respectability. Here's her 1963 New York Review essay on Naked Lunch...
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/13774
I'm taken to understand she also wrote essays trashing J.D. Salinger, but I've never read any of them. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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In defense, Swift could be cited, and indeed between Burroughs and Swift there are many points of comparison; not only the obsession with excrement and the horror of female genitalia but a disgust with politics and the whole body politic. Like Swift, Burroughs has irritable nerves and something of the crafty temperament of the inventor. There is a great deal of Laputa in the countries Burroughs calls Interzone and Freeland, and Swift's solution for the Irish problem would appeal to the American's dry logic. As Gulliver, Swift posed as an anthropologist (though the study was not known by that name then) among savage people; Burroughs parodies the anthropologist in his descriptions of the American heartland: "�the Interior a vast subdivision, antennae of television to the meaningless sky�. Illinois and Missouri, miasma of mound-building peoples, grovelling worship of the Food Source, cruel and ugly festivals." The style here is more emotive than Swift's, but in his deadpan explanatory notes ("This is a rural English custom designed to eliminate aged and bedfast dependents") there is a Swiftian factuality. The "factual" appearance of the whole narrative, with its battery of notes and citations, some straight, some loaded, its extracts from a diary, like a ship's log, its pharmacopeia, has the flavor of eighteenth-century satire. He calls himself a "Factualist" and belongs, all alone, to an Age of Reason, which he locates in the future. In him, as in Swift, there is a kind of soured utopianism.
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Personally, I find Burroughs explanatory notes put me more in mind of T.S. Eliot, but then I've never read much by Swift. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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Lots of dolts on this thread, judging my most of the posts, proudly ignorant of the real world and consumed by cynicism and a bitter, blinding hatred of America. It'd be nauseating if it wasn't so laughable.
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| Yes, well if the US would just let the North possess nuclear weapons they wouldn't need to worry about a high military budget and they could get back to feeding the people. The US is indirectly starving the people of the North. I was actually thinking just the other day how much nicer this part of Asia would be if people just gave in to the North a little bit more. I'm disappointed with China as well because they failed to show support to their ally after the tests. |
Ah, yes, the Americans are to blame for the DPRK decision to squander its meager budget on weapons it doesn't need because it has a paranoid leader who feeds off that paranoia to satisfy the military leaders who keep him propped up in power. Sort of a sick symbiotic relationship like one finds in Cuba. Even the Chinese, the only remaining "ally" of the DPRK, have shown consternation over the North Koreans intransigence in the recent six-party talks.
gang ah jee:
Picture looks like a good rendition of one of your nightmares. Do you lie awake at night worrying about American cultural imperialism? And just who is it, I really want to know, that keeps putting the guns to the heads of all those millions of people who are apparently forced to buy American products?
I sneer in your general direction. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| the Americans are to blame for the DPRK decision to squander its meager budget on weapons it doesn't need because it has a paranoid leader who feeds off that paranoia to satisfy the military leaders who keep him propped up in power. |
Have you not considered that Dear Leader's clinical paranoia is a reuslt of CIA mind control? Didn't you see Conspiracy Theory? I mean, if you can't trust Mel Gibson to give you the straight goods, who can you trust?
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Even the Chinese, the only remaining "ally" of the DPRK, have shown consternation over the North Koreans intransigence in the recent six-party talks.
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Yes, the Chinese are stabbing the Norks in the back, because they realize that a unified and powerful Korea would, within a matter of years if not months, completely devour China. Don't you ever listen to the political discussion at the soju tent? |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Mith:
Oh, so you're a Canadian expat. Well, that explains everything.
If the North Koreans were on your border they'd be kidnapping your fellow citizens. They might even "reach out and touch someone" close to you and I don't mean in the Bell telephone commercial way.
Say, why not take a tour up there a scout out English teaching jobs? You're just the type the KFA is looking for. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| If the North Koreans were on your border they'd be kidnapping your fellow citizens. |
They wouldn't have to. Canadians are cosmopolitan world-travellers, renowned for the respectul treatment of brown people in places like Korea, Lapland, and Somalia. And many Canadians, especially in the province of Alberta, eagerly embrace the opportunity to encounter a different language. So I think you'd see a lot of Canadians visiting North Korea on their own accord. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: city of paper
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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gang ah jee:
Picture looks like a good rendition of one of your nightmares. Do you lie awake at night worrying about American cultural imperialism? And just who is it, I really want to know, that keeps putting the guns to the heads of all those millions of people who are apparently forced to buy American products? |
Do I lie awake at night worrying about American cultural imperialism? The truth is, I do. In fact, I do everything in my power to avoid buying any US products and using US technology. Furthermore, I reject all forms of American popular and intellectual culture, and will leave the room if I hear an American song playing. As an example of how committed I am to the cause, I am the MC in an anti-cultural imperialism hip-hop collective, and my crew and I regularly perform at anti-US events and flag burnings in New Zealand, to great response. All in all, to be completely honest, I cannot wait until the downfall of the American empire, and the rise of the benevolent pax sinica.
edit: or pax koreana as the case may be. |
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Hanson
Joined: 20 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 18, 2007 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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Aye-men, Bruthuh!
Not to mention that Canada would embrace a culural exchange with our brotherly NK by adopting some of the more poignant aspects of the Juche teachings. Canadians are far more accepting of totalitarian regimes and their idiologies.
The US as our neighbours has brought us nothing but a decaying human fabric of a society. They won't let their citizens come to Canada for cheaper meds? Screw 'em! Bunch of stuck-up proles!
When-oh-when will Steve-O get with the program?  |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Mith and Gang:
You're both on weed and blowing smoke my way. Enjoy yourselves. |
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gang ah jee
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:35 am Post subject: |
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Mith and Gang:
You're both on weed and blowing smoke my way. Enjoy yourselves. |
Not the sharpest tool in the kit, are ya? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 3:53 am Post subject: |
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Not the sharpest tool in the kit, are ya?
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He had ONE hit TV show (Note: TV show, not movie.) with Hawaii as the setting. He thought HE was the star, not the beaches, the scenery.
This should tell you all you need to know about sharpness. In or out of the drawer. Or the classroom, for that matter. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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That avatar reminds me of Annakin Skywalker. I would not want North Korea as a neighbour. The things North Korea does to dissidents wouldn't even lead me to joke about this topic. It may sound funny but if you are even somewhat familiar with the horrors in that country, you would forget about it. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2007 12:11 pm Post subject: |
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That avatar reminds me of Annakin Skywalker. |
Me too. Reminds me of Anakin Skywalker a little bit. |
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