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| Do you owe your existence to Hitler? |
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| No - both my parents were already born |
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| No - I was already born! |
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| No - my family lived in the North Pole |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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Very good post, djsmnc, and one that I think touches on my own thoughts and... annoyances regarding these sorts of inquiries. Except for some hopelessly lost tribe in Papua New Guinea or somewhere (and even in that case it's extremely unlikely), there isn't a one of us who would exist were it not for Hitler, be it in some large or minute, direct or bewilderingly circuitous way. It's inescapable and undeniable. But it's not news.
Remember that Hitler was but one factor in an uncountably large number of people and chance events that all had to occur just when and just as they did in order for any of us to be here today. Yes, I suppose there is some mischievous pleasure in attempting to get people to say "thank goodness for Hitler" to their own horror. And yes, I believe -- strongly, in fact -- that examining who we are, from where and whom we are descended, and tracing our own family's history can be valuable, instructive and just plain fun.
But this causality one attaches to a single historical figure -- Hitler in this case -- must be said of everyone and everything from Jesus to the milkman to djsmnc's "fateful patch of ice". This is one reason the "Back To The Future" movies always annoyed me. If you really went back into your parents' past, you'd better be damned invisible, completely silent, and never touch a farking thing. You can only observe, because the slightest little impact will prevent THAT sperm from ever reaching THAT egg. |
Yes yes Mr Guru. Now don't be such a party pooper. Just play the game!  |
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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JongnoGuru
Joined: 25 May 2004
Location: peeing on your doorstep
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
| Yes yes Mr Guru. Now don't be such a party pooper. Just play the game! |
I'd really rather continue being a spoilsport. But okay. Yes, Hitler was one of the countless millions of people and incidents that set in motion a train of events that ultimately resulted in my being conceived. The same as everyone else on the planet. Fascinating. |
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Wrench
Joined: 07 Apr 2005
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| Posted: Sat Jan 20, 2007 10:22 pm Post subject: Re: Hitler was Cruel - But I Owe Him My Life |
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| Big_Bird wrote: |
Another thread (and a cheeky post of Jongno's) have just given me inspiration.
Now, one of the cardinal rules for time travel is that you must try not to do anything to alter the course of history. So, for example, if you travel back in the Doctor's Tardis to Austria in 1889, you shouldn't drown the baby Hitler, because although you might save millions and millions of civillians in the coming decades, you might alter the course of history in other unforeseen ways.
Certainly, I would be loathe to kill a pre-war Hitler, as in fact, I'd end up killing myself. This is because if Hitler hadn't invaded Poland, England might never have declared war on Germany. That would mean that British women would never have joined the war effort by joining the land army (to replace male agricultural workers enlisted in the forces). That would mean that my old granny would never have left a big industrial city in North Yorkshire, to travel down to a small rural community in South Yorkshire. That means she would never have worked on my granddad's farm. That means she would never have rolled in the hay with my granddad. That means she would never have got herself knocked up with my uncle. That means she would never have had a shotgun wedding which then resulted in a marriage which subsequently resulted in my mum. So thank you Hitler for invading Poland!
Now, my dad was already born. But who knows, perhaps he could have been destined to meet a lass far more fetching than my mum? Perhaps there was to be such a lass, but she (or one of her potential parents) was in fact killed by a German bombing raid. So, thank you to the Luftwaffe for possibly wiping out a potential rival to my mum, and so allowing me to be born!
An Israeli friend of mine also once brought this up. She hates Hitler for what he did to her grandparents, but pointed out to me she would not have been born if not for him, because her parents would have continued living in different countries, and would never had any reason to leave, and would never have met.
So Hitler was responsible for millions of deaths. However, his actions had such far reaching consequences, that potentially millions of people who are alive today would not have otherwise been born (though of course millions of other people who might have existed today have not been born because of him).
So, anyway, what's your story? Would you have been born anyway? Or do you too owe your existence to this evil unhinged madman from Austria?
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Sorry your an idiot and a troll. If it meant that I had to give up my life to save countless millions of people that could have lived and had families I would have made that sacrifice.
If you believe in reincarnation this is not a problem.. But still justifying your life over countless lives of others is selfish.
The means don't justifiy the end.
Your still an idiot..... |
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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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Blue lake those pictures are stinkin awesome...especial the one you took in 1984..
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Big bird..questioning wether you owe your existence to Hitler is a little bit riddiculous because there are about a Billion things that you could attribute your existence to......really billions...... |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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Had a been born in Germany in 1940, rather than Canada I would have been given free room in Auschwitz. My mother was a Jew.
It is too bad that Alois Schickleguiber (Hitler's father's real name) he should have drowned him at birth. |
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awalk2remember
Joined: 29 Dec 2006
Location: Pusan
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| Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2007 2:29 am Post subject: |
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I guess I owe my existance to history more than Hitler.
My grandparents were from Austria and forced to be part of the Nazi party. It was either that or be killed.
So, my grandfather was an airplane mechanic and my grandmother was responsible for taking the young German/Austrian women into the mountains to help the farmers with their farms.
Does that mean that all people that were forced to be part of the Nazi party all killers and responsible for horrific crimes.
No way.
Just had to give that little rant because looking at Nazi party and the WW2 always brings up the horrible history that is associated with it.
Of course torture happened, but there were many people that had to comply with the commands placed upon them.
I really wrote this just to note that there were people out there that were not killers and torturers, but considered "Nazi" because of the country they were part of.
Rant over.
Oh yeah, and because of the lack of work post WW2 my grandparents decided to leave Europe and start over in Canada. I know believe it wasn't just a lack of work, but wanting to get away from the hell that went down.
How do you think they were treated in Canada?
Pretty much like doggie doo-doo for a long time because of their accents.
They were both great people and I miss them like crazy.  |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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I figure I owe the Spanish flu which killed 50 million people to my existence. My grandfather's whole family died, save for him. He lived with an uncle in another city where he met my grandmother. No flu. No me.
50 million died to produce me, but I figure most of them had it comin'. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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I have often wondered how the Nazis would have fared if Hitler's name had been Schicklegruber.
Can you imagined thousands of massed Storm Troopers hollering "Heil Schicklegruber? People would have died laughing.
Your folks may have gotten a bad time over their accent. I grew up in a German neighborhood in Edmonton and I speak the language a little.
BUT there were too darn many Germans and Austrians who took the easy way out and worked with them. My best friend's father was a union leader from Silesia and came to Canada just ahead of the Gestapo. When the war started he was declared an enemy alien. Two years later he became a citizen and joined the Canadian Army. He spent the next two years or so guarding an SS prison camp near Medicine Hat.
In his words: "I gave them something to remember me by." Payback is tough!  |
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bluelake
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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Blue lake those pictures are stinkin awesome...especial the one you took in 1984..
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Thanks--glad you liked them. Here are a few more from 1945:
A couple of my dad's shipmates with Korean street urchins
Looking down hill (near "MacArthur Park") in Incheon
Ajumma, 1945 style |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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I figure I owe the Spanish flu which killed 50 million people to my existence. My grandfather's whole family died, save for him. He lived with an uncle in another city where he met my grandmother. No flu. No me.
50 million died to produce me, but I figure most of them had it comin'. |
My father told me how my grandfather didn't have many friends growing up. During the winter of 1919, my grandfather thought he was very lucky because he was getting a long winter vacation. When he returned to school, he found out that only 4 out of 18 students were still alive. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Had a been born in Germany in 1940, rather than Canada I would have been given free room in Auschwitz. My mother was a Jew.
It is too bad that Alois Schickleguiber (Hitler's father's real name) he should have drowned him at birth. |
Actually, it's Aloys Schicklgruber (Schicklgruber is 'sump digger' in German). |
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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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blue lake again great pics....in the one where you took a photo from the same spot as your dad all those years before, was it difficult to find the spot?
.....yes it is a funny though of germans trying to yell 'heil...schlumfembuffinbaminglupigin'...
As for the Hitler being responsible for my conception I can't say that's the case...cause both of my grandfather's, one navy the other army, were in contact before the war broke out and did the whole writing thing and got married after the war....then had 20,000 children.. |
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ChopChaeJoe
Joined: 05 Mar 2006
Location: Seoul
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Worst premise for a thread ever.
I guess if a new Hitler appears, we can all kiss his ass too. |
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bluelake
Joined: 01 Dec 2005
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blue lake again great pics....in the one where you took a photo from the same spot as your dad all those years before, was it difficult to find the spot?
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Actually, it wasn't all that hard, then (1984). As Incheon hadn't really built up yet, I just looked for what area would have given that profile of Wolmido; there was really only one place it would work. However, when I tried a similar thing a few years ago, things had built up and it wasn't as easy. Still, someday I'll try it again. |
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