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Adventurer

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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 6:18 am Post subject: |
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| The United States is under worse threat internally from the failed cultural segments among the Hispanic and African American population who are acting like Siamese fighting fish. I do mean to say this to be derogatory, but so many African Americans and Hispanics are getting killed by each other and the problems are spreading. It is not only Miami and L.A. that are dealing with an explosion in terms of gang problems. It is seriously bad in parts of Dallas. If the U.S. government invested some capital into dealing with domestic terrorists called gangsters and not only of the Islamic variety, who definitely should be tackled, then they are not serious about honouring the social contract with the people of America. I don't think legalizing drugs is the issue. Drugs are not legal in Korea and they don't have the same problems. Why must drugs be legalized? I may understand when it comes to marijuana. Cocaine is a whole other animal in my book. I am not dismissing crime done by Caucasians and Asians but, percentage wise, they are not associated so much with having a large component of the population behind urban decay, but you can say the higher ups among the elites are also responsible for ignoring the problems. I mean Bush launches some war in Iraq when there is a war at home every day killing so many Americans of all races. |
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bucheon bum
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:36 am Post subject: |
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| don't think legalizing drugs is the issue. Drugs are not legal in Korea and they don't have the same problems. Why must drugs be legalized? |
korea is a peninsula. the only way to enter it is via sea or air. compare that to the US, which has two looong land borders, one of which is with a 3rd world country that is about as corrupt as you can get.
By legalizing drugs you eliminate a huge financial resource for those gangs. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:57 am Post subject: |
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| A little over 10 years ago, I was almost killed by MS-13 gang members, while walking out of a liquor store -- Once I saw that gun coming out of that car window, I hit the floor. The target was a rival gang member who happened to be standing at the entrance. After I got up -- there it was, my first time seeing a freshly dead body. |
I'm glad you were not hurt.
That is exactly what I'm talking about. For those who may not know, "MS 13" is a gang made up primarily of Central Americans in the U.S. It is an especially vicious group of little shts.
There is no difference between the activity you describe and what we're battling in Iraq now. The only difference is that we're not doing jack about it in the U.S.
We need to send the guard into the neighborhoods ruled by these gangs and issue shoot to kill orders -- local law enforcement know who the leaders and members are. Or we should do what has been tried elsewhere and hold their families for "safekeeping" as an incentive for them to surrender themselves to law enforcement. |
I think the second option's better. Anything that might cause people to think that it's time for open war isn't a good idea. The best way to fight a war is to keep it on a low enough key (intensive but still low) that the other side isn't really sure what they are up against, when to declare war and what against exactly. |
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otis

Joined: 02 Jun 2006
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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I can't believe you guys are blaming Bush for dangerous American cities.
I lived in New Orleans under Reagan. It was dangerous.
I lived in New Orleans under the first Bush. It was dangerous.
I lived in New Orleans under Clinton. It was dangerous.
This is why American cities are dangerous: We are afraid to tell the blacks and Mexicans to stop shooting each other and themselves. We don't want to be called racist. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:06 pm Post subject: |
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| yeah otis. all hispanics are mexicans. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Easy way to deal with gangs. Shoot to kill. Ask questions later. |
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Adventurer

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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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Overall, the crime rate has fallen in some years past. Did you hear of the economists who attributed it to many women having abortions who would have otherwise ended up being criminals when they grew up. I am not sure what to make of his theory. He wrote the book called "Freakeconomics". He was not being pro-abortion, however.
I do blame Bush and the presidents before them. But you are right people can't blame one leader in particular. I think it is more of a general mindset in the U.S. where people don't really want to admit the situation is so bad and don't want to admit that much needs to be spent on destroying the gangs, urban renewal, real education, stopping a 50% drop out rate of some groups from school, and having more undercover people in schools watching gangs and busting people. However, that would all cost a fair bit of coin and embarass certain local politicians.
The politicians don't want this done and as long as white neighborhoods are not shut up there isn't so much done. |
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seoulshock
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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| ^ That was written by my elementary friend, Steven Levitt. |
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Hollywoodaction
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Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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We're spending literally trillions of dollars fighting insurgents in Iraq. How much have we been willing to spend to fight these far more dangerous insurgents in our own nation?
Peanuts.
For all the Bush-mongered hysteria over "terror", gang-affiliated criminals have caused far more deaths of Americans as well as made our inner cities as dangerous to decent Americans as Baghdad outside the "Green Zone".
Yet, for all the National Guardsmen we ship to Iraq, we can't spare any to keep the peace in the U.S.
One more reason why Bush is the hands-down worst president we've ever been cursed with. |
Let me go out on a limb here...Bush's backers are also behind the prison industrial complex? They'd be losing out big if crime rates were way down in the US? |
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dogbert

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: Killbox 90210
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 2:47 am Post subject: |
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We're spending literally trillions of dollars fighting insurgents in Iraq. How much have we been willing to spend to fight these far more dangerous insurgents in our own nation?
Peanuts.
For all the Bush-mongered hysteria over "terror", gang-affiliated criminals have caused far more deaths of Americans as well as made our inner cities as dangerous to decent Americans as Baghdad outside the "Green Zone".
Yet, for all the National Guardsmen we ship to Iraq, we can't spare any to keep the peace in the U.S.
One more reason why Bush is the hands-down worst president we've ever been cursed with. |
Let me go out on a limb here...Bush's backers are also behind the prison industrial complex? They'd be losing out big if crime rates were way down in the US? |
I don't blame Bush for causing it.
What I blame Bush (and to some extent his predecessors) for is neglecting our social problems in America while being overoccupied with "sexier" international issues.
There has to be a balance.
For the money, etc. we are wasting in Iraq, we could have done a hell of a lot in our own goddamned country.
For that, you bet, I blame Bush.
May he, his father, and whole goddamned family rot in hell for what they've done to America. |
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Junior

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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:09 am Post subject: |
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We need to send the guard into the neighborhoods ruled by these gangs and issue shoot to kill orders. |
yes herr hitler. How about tackling the racist inequality first, before you jump to the policy you implemented on the native (real) Americans?. |
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jinju
Joined: 22 Jan 2006
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 3:18 am Post subject: |
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| Junior wrote: |
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We need to send the guard into the neighborhoods ruled by these gangs and issue shoot to kill orders. |
yes herr hitler. How about tackling the racist inequality first, before you jump to the policy you implemented on the native (real) Americans?. |
*beep* you. You are comparing the victims of Hitler to the fucking SCUMbags in gangs? I agree. Shoot to kill. Exterminate them block by block. |
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dulouz
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:01 am Post subject: |
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I wasn't certain if this article was serious because as its example of horror it used one shot Black girl in all of LA. We get that every weekend in Milwaukee so it doesn't seem like much.
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yes herr hitler. How about tackling the racist inequality first, before you jump to the policy you implemented on the native (real) Americans?.
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We cannot "tackle" racist inequality for several reasons. "Tackling" racist inequality means making up for 1000 years of slavery. We can't do that. The demands are way too vauge for that demand the rest of the problems as well. The Mexicans keep coming even when they aren't supposed to and we can make them rich that fast. Mexican America blends with Mexico and Mexico is poor, thus contributing to tp the expansion of poverty. Black people don't do well where ever they are. Zimbabwe is racism free yet there is still deprivation. Mexican Americans own New Mexico. They own the population, they own the business and they own the government and NM the poorest state in the union. Expect no rescue.
Don't be real quick about using the natives for this argument. Although the injustices against the natives are well documented and discussed, the antagonism between the two peoples isn't nearly as bad as it could be. This means there has been a measure of forgiveness or even more so a willful forgetfulness. Your argument wasn't meant to be an argument, its just a bully point. |
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ddeubel

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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 6:07 am Post subject: |
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| Black people don't do well where ever they are. |
Do you just wake up in the morning this stupid or does it become you......
My god, enema time.
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cbclark4

Joined: 20 Aug 2006 Location: Masan
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 7:18 am Post subject: |
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I would suggest the formation of a "foreign legion" waving all education pre-qualification and offering amnesty after 4 years of service, similar to the French version of the same. Recruit heavily from the gangs. This offers discipline to the undisciplined, and allows the recruits to get a violence fix in true combat situations.
On the other side it could contribute to the accuracy of the drive by shootings and lessen the chance of collateral victims.
cbc |
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