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thepeel
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
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I don't think Clinton or Edwards are half-republicans. They aren't marxist che-shirt wearing douchbags but they are solidly center-left. I've seen Edwards a few times and liked him quite a bit. Clinton would be good too.. It would be nice to have some experience in the white house after 8 years of W. Ol' Bill could hear on over to the middle east and start up where he left off.
Al Gore should have had the nomination last time. Kerry was a mistake. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:48 am Post subject: |
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| However, my sincere hope is that someone is chosen on principle rather than their odds of winnng. |
I don't think these need to be mutally exclusive.
This next election is for the Democrats to lose. All they need to win is to nominate a man or woman of good character (and avoid someone too extreme politically). As long the candidate is not caught in bed with a live boy or a dead woman, the White House is theirs.
Twenty-five years of big-spending Republicans, a war going nowhere with no end in sight and the single largest segment of the population on the doorstep of retirement with the government having the biggest debt in the entire history of the galaxy. I think the public is ready for a change. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:49 am Post subject: |
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Gopher:
I hope the Democrats do nominate Obama. It will guarantee a Republican win. Everyone seems to get caught up in the polls and they forget the effect of the Electoral College in the US, and the slow shift to the south in the electoral votes. Maybe they should run a McCain / Rice ticket.
Plig:
Nice try, but your red printing was too small for these old eyes. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 9:32 am Post subject: |
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Gopher:
I hope the Democrats do nominate Obama. It will guarantee a Republican win. Everyone seems to get caught up in the polls and they forget the effect of the Electoral College in the US, and the slow shift to the south in the electoral votes. Maybe they should run a McCain / Rice ticket.
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you're forgetting another effect yourself: the shift to the mountain west. Those states are seeing large growth and are moving towards the left politically. Colorado is a perfect example. The dems are slowly catching onto this and are putting more effort into winning those states. Personally I think it is a smart decision. They don't need the south to win.
Dreams of Californication- Economist article |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| Clinton anywone with even a touch of Christian morality thinks of him as a lying adulterous, SOB. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forgiveness#Christianity
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* "Peter came to Jesus and asked, 'Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?' Jesus answered, 'I tell you, not seven times, but seventy-seven times (or seventy times seven).'" (Matthew 18:21-22)
* "And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins." (Mark 11:25)
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:45 am Post subject: |
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mith:
You want to play proof test anf have a scripyur bash.
As Jesus said to those whp were going to stone the woman "takem in adultery". Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Then as he said to the woman. Go and sin no more.
Clinton went and sinned a whole bunch more, lied a lot more and did so because he could. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 11:53 am Post subject: |
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mith:
You want to play proof test anf have a scripyur bash.
As Jesus said to those whp were going to stone the woman "takem in adultery". Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Then as he said to the woman. Go and sin no more.
Clinton went and sinned a whole bunch more, lied a lot more and did so because he could. |
That was about the worst quote you could have chosen to use:
http://research.unc.edu/endeavors/spr2006/feature_05.php
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| Remember the classic story about the woman taken into adultery? She�s about to be stoned before Jesus confronts her accusers: �Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.� The men say no more and walk away. Jesus looks up and asks the woman, �Is there no one who condemns you?� The woman says, �No one, Lord.� Jesus finishes the scene: �Neither do I condemn you. Go and sin no more.� It�s the ultimate story of forgiveness and compassion. Too bad the passage doesn�t exist in the earliest versions of the Bible, Ehrman says. It was added much later by scribes. Why? �A scribe heard the story, and thought that it exemplified Christ�s forgiving nature,� Ehrman says. �Maybe a scribe originally wrote it in the margin, and a later scribe thought that the story had been left out.� |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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mith:
You are a revisionist scriptorian, I see.
Of course I must accept Ehrmans guess as infakkible? I don't think so. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 12:56 pm Post subject: ... |
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| sock alert |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Good call. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: ... |
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| sock alert |
what clued you in? him being a mormon and jew? and that he served in the israeli army? and that he mentions that he's a mormon on nearly every thread he posts on?
Nope, gotta disagree with you- he's totally legit. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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The major clue was someone named contrarian emerging right in the midst of opposite celebrations.
Someone became endeared to he concept.
Now every day is opposite day.
On topic, the Nevada primary will also boost the influence of the mountain folk now that it's going to be at the beginning.
Breaking the traditional primary order was wayyyyyyy overdue. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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the Nevada primary will also boost the influence of the mountain folk now that it's going to be at the beginning.
Breaking the traditional primary order was wayyyyyyy overdue.
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HOW near the beginning?
As I understand it, New Hampshire law states that their primary will be scheduled first, ahead of anyone else's. Meaning if Nevada schedules theirs on Feb. 1, then NH's will automatically move to Jan. 31 (or before). |
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Nowhere Man
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http://www.nytimes.com/cq/2007/01/16/cq_2126.html
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| The party�s Nevada caucuses � slated for just five days after the traditional kickoff event in Iowa and three days before the primary in New Hampshire � was part of the Democratic National Committee�s response to persistent complaints that Iowa and New Hampshire have long exercised too much clout over the selection of the presidential nominee. |
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Pligganease
Joined: 14 Sep 2004
Location: The deep south...
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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I got this forwarded e-mail today from my family back in NC.
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>READ ....VERY INTERESTING
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>Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama
>Sr. (black muslim of Nyangoma-Kogelo, Siaya District, Kenya), and Ann
>Dunham of Wichita, Kansas. (white atheist). They met at the University of
>Hawaii at Manoa.
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>When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced and his father returned
>to Kenya. His mother married Lolo Soetoro -- a Muslim -- moving to Jakarta
>with Obama when he was six years old. Within six months he had learned to
>speak the Indonesian language. Obama spent two years in a Muslim school,
>then two more in a Catholic school in Jakarta.
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>Since it is politically expedient to be a Christian when you are seeking
>political office in the United States, Obama takes great care to conceal
>the fact that he is a Muslim. While admitting that he was once a Muslim, he
>mitigates that damning information by saying that for two years he also
>attended a Catholic school.
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>Obama's spin-meisters are now attempting to make it appear that Obama's
>introduction to Islam came from his father and that influence was temporary
>at best. However, Ann Dunham married another Muslim, Lolo Soetoro who
>educated his stepson as a good Muslim by enrolling him in one of Jakarta's
>Wahabbi schools. Wahabbism is the radical teaching that created the Muslim
>terrorists who are now waging Jihad on the industrialized world.
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>Everyone should know what the media is NOT telling people. Please pass this
>on. Everyone needs to know!! |
This was followed by another one asking me to say a prayer for all of the servicemen fighting overseas and one with a picture of a really big fish.
BTW: I think contrarian is stevemcgarrett. Look at the headers when people are adressed. Now, who is stevemcgarrett?  |
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