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madcap
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
Location: Gangneung, Korea
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This is taken directly from an IAEA report on Chernobyl:
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Childhood thyroid cancer caused by radioactive iodine fallout is one of the main health impacts of the accident. Doses to the thyroid recieved in the first few months after the accident were particularly high in those who were children at the time and drank milk with high levels of radioactive iodine. By 2002, more than 4000 thyroid cancer cases had been diagnosed in this group, and it is most likely that a large fraction of these
thyroid cancers is attributable to radioiodine intake.
It is impossible to assess reliably, with any precision, numbers of fatal cancers caused by radiation exposure due to the Chernobyl accident � or indeed the impact of the stress and anxiety induced by the accident and the response to it. Small differences in the assumptions concerning radiation risks can lead to large differences in the predicted health consequences, which are therefore highly uncertain. An international expert group has made projections to provide a rough estimate of the possible health impacts of the accident and to help plan the future allocation of public health resources. The projections indicate that, among the most exposed populations (liquidators, evacuees and residents of the so-called �strict control zones�), total cancer mortality might increase by
up to a few per cent owing to Chernobyl related radiation exposure. Such an increase could mean eventually up to several thousand fatal cancers in addition to perhaps one hundred thousand cancer deaths expected in these populations from all other causes. An increase of this magnitude would be very difficult to detect, even with very careful long term epidemiological studies. |
Personally, I don't care how "mild" the effects of fallout are. Have you ever seen pics of the people in Nagasaki or Hiroshima a few weeks after the bombs were dropped? It may be fine 60 years later, but what about right now? I realize that you don't give a s#!t because it isn't you recieving the radiation, but, christ, have a little empathy! |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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| this thread is even more proof contrarian is a troll. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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madcap / bucheon
I love sharp, hard edged debate. I am not a "nice Canadian". That does not make me a troll. |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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Contrarian,
Yes, the description of a troll is appropriate. If indeed you did any research, it was only by flipping through Good Homemaker magazines....
I talked to people about this while working in Kyiv, also many others. I took my radiation detector to the farmer's market and scanned before buying produce. I also took a tour of sites, villages, near Chernobyl and witnessed first hand the beautiful, clean place you describe 
Lots of images of beauty and smiling people in this photo essay about Chernobyl. A must view on the topic.
http://todayspictures.slate.com/inmotion/essay_chernobyl/
Also, many essays, well researched, documenting the "few" casualties of this little nuclear incident.
I'd include the marvellous site by the Ukrainian biker chick but for the fact that she has duped much of the world about her suppossed biking adventure through the forbidden zone. I was duped too. But it is worth a view, a classic site and if I can find the url, I will post.
DD |
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ddeubel
Joined: 20 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:01 pm Post subject: |
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More on topic,
The BBC recently broadcast a debate on the topic about "nuking" Iran and the war drums that are beating.
One commentator refered to the old "appeasement " arguement, using Chamberlain as a punching bag. I found the replies on line, revealing and they suggest differing views.
Also, Kristof wrote an excellent article in yesterdays NY Times - Hang Up! Tehran is calling. His take is that the Bush admin. , like Iraq, is stoking a confrontation with Iran. For domestic reasons, for stupid reasons. And in the end, besides maybe endangering the world, he will only strengthen a very vulnerable regime. I think he is correct. Amazing how all of a sudden, there are a plethora of small news reports about Iran. Almost always inflammatory, sensational. These things; military movements, laws passed, speeches by Iranian officials, meetings, local affairs in Iran -- all happened previously without a peep by the wider media / world. Seems the media too is complicit and has a hand beating on the war drum....
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Your comments
Brian Walden's analogy to WWII Germany fails in several respects. First, unlike Germany, Iran has never attacked another country -- period. Second, Germany was not surrounded by nations aligned against it, some with nuclear weapons, like Iran is. Third, even if Iran did someday attack Israel -- how does that really affect the West?. Finally, the IAEA has promised all signatory nations the absolute Right to develop nuclear power -- unfounded suspicions not withstanding. We're all being set-up to buy into another Iraq scenario. Once again, the media just loves it. Trust me there is big money involved - but not for you and I.
Ron Pineda, Dallas, TX - USA
We tend to forget that war is good for business. The Iranians have signaled many times that they are willing to sit down and talk. This would be a good thing, but bad for business and the American economy.
Robert Millette, Granby, Quebec, Canada.
The overture of restraint must come first, and let Iran show the world it trully wants harmony.
Phil, Hertford
It is utter madness to attack another country that is not breaking international law. In fact to do so is breaking international law. And that is the problem...... we have some countries and even some commentators.... who believe that they are above international law.
Deryk, Victoria BC Canada
I read the other day how Britain is spending billions on a new Trident nuclear weapon system. What hypocrisy to expect other nations such as Iran and North Korea to abandon their quest for nuclear technology, when we in the west are continually building bigger and more devastating weapons.
Tim Deane, Belleville, Ontario, Canada.
Walden has written a succinct and evenhanded editiorial that neatly summarizes the dilemma in dealing with Iran's burgeoning nuclear capabilities. I admit that I am pleasantly surprised by the neutral and sober viewpoint in this editorial; perhaps I have grown to expect polemics from many media sources. While the rehabilitation of Chamberlain's reputation remains unlikely, his legacy stands as a lesson on the perils of weakness and wishful thinking in statecraft - and this applies to the Bush team too. One cannot help but feel that on so grave a matter of Iran's nuclear ambitions and capabilities (not to mention intentions) our politicians and commentators should rise above their differences, which seem petty in comparison to the consequences of miscalculation. This editorial deserves praise for its honesty and evenhandedness, and represents in its own way a small step in that direction.
David Wade, Chicago, IL US
Here we go with BBC's propaganda machine inflating a non existent threat and fueling the fear mentality ahead of plans of Blair and Bush.
Michael Edwards, London-England
I'm glad Brian Walden isn't one of those people who goes around literal-mindedly applying the Churchill-Chamberlain analogy to every situation. Not every dictator or sharp-tongued head of state is Hitler, and there are other means of dealing with them. I'm a bit worried, though, that perhaps Mr. Walden thinks that the neutron bomb is a little too cute and fuzzy. When it was first introduced, the neutron bomb's selling point was that it killed all the people and left most of the buildings standing -- "not as horrific as it sounds"?
Tom Marshalek, Bloomington, USA |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2007 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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DD:
I have already seen the one by the biker. A long time ago. I expected a pitch for donations after your little Hallmark Moment.
Try googling, both sides are there. |
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madcap
Joined: 04 Dec 2006
Location: Gangneung, Korea
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| Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:41 am Post subject: |
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| Yes, both sides of the argument are there, but that is irrelevent. It's the strength of the argument and how it is backed up. I have read reports that "prove" the Hollocaust never happened based on the size of the death camps and the lack of documentation. I have also read how evolution is impossible based on the lack of fossile evidence and other critical data. Does this mean that they are correct? I guess I depends on your point of view. My point is, you can believe anything you want and find a way to justify it, but that still doesn't make it right and you are still wandering blind in a dark smelly hole of ignornace. *hmph* Nukes...aren't they the greatest? (insert sarcasm here) |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2007 9:19 am Post subject: |
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U.S.: Evidence shows Iran subversion in Iraq
Bush authorizes soldiers to fire on Iranian agents, says 'it makes sense'
WASHINGTON - The Bush administration said Friday it intends to present evidence that Iranian operatives in Iraq are targeting U.S. troops. The announcement came shortly after word that President Bush had authorized U.S. forces in Iraq to fire on or capture any Iranian agents deemed a threat to American troops or the Iraqi public at large.
�It makes sense that if somebody�s trying to harm our troops, or stop us from achieving our goal, or killing innocent citizens in Iraq, that we will stop them,� Bush said when asked about the aggressive new policy, first reported by the Washington Post. �It�s an obligation we all have ... to protect our folks and achieve our goal.�
State Department spokesman Sean McCormack was asked by reporters whether the administration would release any evidence. "It's our intention to do so, we're working on it," he said.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16825943/
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