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[huffdaddy]

[ddeubel]

Contrarian,

I'm not even going to lift one finger to gather any evidence to your spurious claims. Obviously, you have to visit the doctor's office more to keep up with your own speedy stupidity.
How can anyone claim that violence, cruelty is NOT a human problem only differing in place THROUGH time, not people??????

You have to catch up on some Buddhist reading. Also consider that Mao and Pol Pot essentially had their ideas and violence, death, carried out by Buddhists who whatever the apparent times, had been raised buddhist. I'd also comment that the Mongols, worst of the notorious worst, were Buddhist practicioners

but you are a good example of the Buddha's final words, "decay is inherent in all matter."

DD

[contrarian]

DD said:

How can anyone claim that violence, cruelty is NOT a human problem only differing in place THROUGH time, not people??????

[OK Lets look at that. ". . . claim . . . violence cruelty is not a human problem . . ." It seems to be a time proble. Duuuuh!

You have to catch up on some Buddhist reading. Also consider that Mao and Pol Pot essentially had their ideas and violence, death, carried out by Buddhists who whatever the apparent times, had been raised buddhist. I'd also comment that the Mongols, worst of the notorious worst, were Buddhist practicioners

Pol Pot and Mao, not to mention Stalin and Hitler were vile beasts. They did not have a religion problem they had a secular belief problem.

DD has all the grace of s@x starved Chihuahua humping an old ladies leg.

[postfundie]

Huff daddy and dd,

good you've been able to show that Buddhists can be violent..I'm happy....Can you really say that the ideology of the two religions are equally peaceful and equally violent...Which texts have historically been used to justify violence....Was the Buddha violent???? Anybody can misrepresent a religion but the figure of Muhammed stands out.(he is as good muslims claim the perfect example for all mankind).. Does it bother you at all that he had people executed soley on relgious grounds?? Your quest to make it look like Islam is equal to all other relgions is just plain bogus and not needed...I don't want your average muslim guy getting beat up, but that doesn't mean I have to refrain my crisiticism of the ideology of Islam...wake up...Muhammed tied religion and politics together in a way that we don't see in Buddhism....Notice I said Muhammed not some random example that you want to pull out of your arses...religious Ideology is the problem...the sooner people criticize this the better....then places like Saudi Arabi and Iran might treat homosexuals, women, and apostates a little better......

[huffdaddy]

[ddeubel]

[contrarian]

DD:

This is one of your better posts.

Anything, religious belief or political belief, is a valid reason for people to act. If a group of people say Baptists want to ban abortion in the state of Mississippi and if they can get a comfortable majority of the people there to agree then it should be banned. If another group of secular humanists get together in New York and convince a comfortable majority to allow abortion that too is valid.

It is the "all or nothing" people that cause the problem. This is tragically apparent in Israel. The Arabs consider themselves a manly group of desert warriors. In 1948/49 they were soundly beaten by a group of bookish Jews and the call this the catastrophe. Ever since they have tried to reverse this ultimate insult and every time they lose more an more. As a result they may well wind up with nothing but they (eg. Hamas) seem still go for the all or nothing approach, because Allah is on their side.

Allah obviously is not on their side.

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[postfundie]

Well DD thanks for acknowledging some of the truths out there...I like the tone of your post but I must say that I disagree....

If you say that religion is so different from legal and penal codes how then can you get around the 'sharia' ?? I'd say it's a big part of 'religion'...

[CIVIS ROMANVS]

The difference between the Judeo-Christian traditions and Islam, is that the former two have tried theocracy and failed, whereas Islam won't give up the ghost.

The Jew got their asses handed to them by the Romans for acting very much how the Palestinians are acting now. The per capita participation of Jews in death cults, like the friendly folks at Masada who get a nice hallmark card footnote in history for writing the Dead Sea Scrolls, was probably less than in modern Palestine.

The Christians, lucky enough to be the majority in a post-Constantine Mediterranean, tried to lead a theocratic existence and wound up progressing in very few areas (siege warcraft, theology [surprise!], heavy calvary) and devolving in almost every other (medicine, engineering, legal systems, art, etc.).

Remind you of anyone?

Of course people will tell you that Islam is explicitly a political project, which it is.

They just fail to mention that despite the "Give what is Caesar's to Caesar and what is G-d's to G-d" utterings of one famous Heeb carpenter, both Judaism and Christianity are both explicitly full of ways for you to do what they tell you.

The cool thing about them though is that the civil societies that have sprung up around and in these faiths have allowed people to choose which parts they wanna adhere to and which they wanna ignore, after much trial and error. If you don't want to stone a prostitute to death or if you're not interested in how to sell your first-born daughter into slavery - no sweat! We don't even want you to do those divinely decreed things.

Islam doesn't enjoy the support and sanity that secular society can bring to the dogmatic mix because it is highly effective at suffocating it.

Muslims will tell you that they need a Martin Luther, but then other Muslims will tell you that their Martin Luther is Osama bin Laden. For those of you who can't draw the parallel ML was a reformer who rejected Rome's less liturgical adaptations to Christianity. ObL likewise takes a strict and literal reading of the Quran, particularly where it talks about having no infidel troops in Muslim lands and a willingness to slay polytheists and 'antequated' monotheists should the latter not accept Islam or dhimmitude.

Give me a nut job version of Christianity or Judaism any day over a moderate Muslim. The Hassidic Jew or the Snake Handling Bible Banger both understand that however despicable my lifestyle is, they have no legal or moral right to force me into compliance.

[postfundie]

CIVIS ...I don't know.... Europe in the middle ages sucked ass because of Christianity out of control and in the political system making laws that everybody had to follow.....

[CIVIS ROMANVS]

Yeah, that's kind of what I said.

I don't want to sound condescending, but notice the judicious use of the word "devolving".

[postfundie]

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