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cisco kid

Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Location: Outlaws had us pinned down at the fort
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 10:47 pm Post subject: I can't believe how much things have changed in 11 years |
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11 years ago when I came to Korea, I visited a friend at the Inn Daewon in Kwanghwamun...it's still there, but so many other things have changed.
I tried to find the other guest house they used to own, torn down. I tried to find the internet cafe that all the foreigners used behind Kyobo, gone. New high rises everywhere...nothing is the same anymore. I feel like time has passed me by. I know I've changed since then (Cut off my long hair, got married and settled down) but Korea is not the same place it used to be.
There used to be all kinds of foreigners all over Kwanghwamun...hippies of all nationalities (we were called Cowboy teachers back then because most of us were here on tourist visas) but I haven't seen one person that fits that description all day today. The Wendys is gone too. I never ate there, but it was a good landmark. Went into the Inn Daewon and it was so much smaller than I remember it...they got a new roof at least.
I just can't believe that things aren't the way I remember them.
Ah, father time...you've taken my memories away.
Pfffft. Anyone else remember these things? |
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cosmo

Joined: 09 Nov 2006
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Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 11:02 pm Post subject: |
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How about the Taco Bell in Gangnam, or Planet Hollywood? |
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kangnam mafioso
Joined: 27 Jan 2003 Location: Teheranno
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:48 am Post subject: |
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i lived in kangnam in 2001 and then left for 2 years. i went back last summer and half the stuff i was looking for no longer existed or had morphed into something else. in korea it isn't only the physical landscape that changes expeditiously but also people's attitudes and styles. koreans are more open-minded now and there is a lot more western stuff available. i think that's what makes korea exciting ... you get a bit of the old with the new, the 3rd world mixed with the first; you can exit a sky scraper and turn a corner and see an ajumma dressed in hanbok, cutting up onions on the sidewalks. i can't imagine how much korea will change in the next 11 years! |
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leebumlik69
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Location: DiRectly above you. Pissing Down
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:54 am Post subject: Re: I can't believe how much things have changed in 11 years |
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cisco kid wrote: |
11 years ago when I came to Korea... |
Offeling you finest the in
Since 2007 |
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Woland
Joined: 10 May 2006 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:09 am Post subject: |
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I remember all the places you mentioned, OP. I arrived in 96, stayed two years and then went off to Turkey before returning this past year. The change hasn't been just physical, but, as another poster noted, Koreans attitudes have changed. They have become more worldly, in ways good and bad. On the whole, I think the change has been positive. Seoul is much friendlier place than it was ten years ago, and it's nice not to be regarded everywhere as a freak to stared and yelled 'herro' at.
But not all has disappeared. One of my little pleasures here has been rediscovering my favorite old coffee house in Anam-dong, Bohemian. It's still here, still here serving up organic, fresh roasted beans, and still the nicest coffee shop in Seoul. Long may it perk. |
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Cthulhu

Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 6:21 am Post subject: |
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I also came in '96 (to Pusan, er, Busan) and saw a lot of changes before leaving in 03. Changes in the mood (riot police/riots were more common then), major construction differences, fewer western chains etc. And things were cheaper too! I have a feeling when I return to visit someday it will be nothing like I remember. But it was a great experience. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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Are you serious, Archie Bunker?
Oooh, thoose were the Daaaays!!!
Please.
Korean commercial business locations and usages change faster than your underwear (I hope).
Let's not not get all misty-eyed over poorly-conceived crap that suffered too long through what frankly should have never been. And it wasn't only Gwahwamun, baby. |
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Satin
Joined: 26 Oct 2006 Location: Texas
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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Caniff:
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Are you serious, Archie Bunker?
Oooh, thoose were the Daaaays!!!
Please. |
Let's see if you don't think back on the "old days" in 20 years! Anything you did a second ago is all ready history, so think about that. So please, don't tell me again!
I've been to Korea in the mid 80's, 90's and 2006 (and am returning next month). The sociological impact of change has been tremendous along with the economics of life there.
These people weren't saying they wished things were as they were years ago; they only noted how things had changed. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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I hear ya, satin. I was just trying to get a rise. Things have changed. |
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cisco kid

Joined: 13 Nov 2003 Location: Outlaws had us pinned down at the fort
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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caniff wrote: |
Are you serious, Archie Bunker?
Oooh, thoose were the Daaaays!!!
Please... |
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We thought they'd never end
We'd sing and dance forever and a day
We'd live the life we choose
We'd fight and never lose
For we were young and sure to have our way.
La la la la...
Those were the days, oh yes those were the days
Then the busy years went rushing by us
We lost our starry notions on the way
If by chance I'd see you in the tavern
We'd smile at one another and we'd say
Those were the days my friend
We thought they'd never end
We'd sing and dance forever and a day
We'd live the life we choose
We'd fight and never lose
For we were young and sure to have our way.
La la la la... |
Had another friend that used to live in guest house number two, his name was Mike. Mike had a great voice and would play the guitar and sing for other travelers and teachers who lived there. He was a part time teacher...but rarely got any teaching jobs, he used heroin whenever he could get it. Mike died in Korea, overdosed on drugs. Sad story really...his father was prominent back in California, a professor I think he was. Offered Mike rehab more times than I can remember, Mike refused. He used to get ritalin from a pharmacy nearby and snort it. Drugs are horrible, I hope no other foreign teachers ever die here again, but they probably will, and not many people will remember them.
Here's to the way things used to be, and never will again.
*raises a glass* |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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Cheers (to Mike) |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006 Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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I lived in Chuncheon for a year in '93 and yea, there sure have been a lotta changes. For the better for the most part. Koreans seem more accepting of foreigners now, specially if you have a Korean girlfriend.
I know there's still those drunk adjjoshi comments, but not so frequent or serious.
The only change that I really miss are the SOJU TENTS. A real pochangmachang! Man, those things were like kimchi, part of the cultural heritage. Tents, upon glowing tents stringed with christmas lights just welcoming you to get warm on a cold winter evening helped along with a wa-sha of soju with friends.
Sure, there's the solitary tent around Seoul, but to see a whole block of 'em full of Koreans from drunk student activists shouting slogans in the alleys of tents to the drunk adjjoshi arguing with his friends and the occational slap or punch to the fine looking drunk K-gal surrounded by girlfriends crying about losing her lover.
It really was an interesting experience... |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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I miss the activist students. These days they're all about drinking and not about rioting.
/yes, I was here in '96. Briefly. |
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doggyji

Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Location: Toronto - Hamilton - Vineland - St. Catherines
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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:51 am Post subject: |
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RACETRAITOR wrote: |
I miss the activist students. These days they're all about drinking and not about rioting.
/yes, I was here in '96. Briefly. |
As soon as I entered the university in Korea, we still had to sing along and even dance to those 'agitation' songs at our first orientation led by the student council. They showed us a video message from a sunbae who was fleeing around the country because he violated the good old national security law. I forgot what he actually did. The atmosphere was plain lefty which just left me an unforgettable interesting impression. That was 2001. Sounds ancient already. |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Location: Seoul, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:58 am Post subject: |
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doggyji wrote: |
RACETRAITOR wrote: |
I miss the activist students. These days they're all about drinking and not about rioting.
/yes, I was here in '96. Briefly. |
As soon as I entered the university in Korea, we still had to sing along and even dance to those 'agitation' songs at our first orientation led by the student council. They showed us a video message from a sunbae who was fleeing around the country because he violated the good old national security law. I forgot what he actually did. The atmosphere was plain lefty which just left me an unforgettable interesting impression. That was 2001. Sounds ancient already. |
Yeah. By the way, I don't miss the legions of riot cops waiting to beat the students' non-violent protesting asses. |
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