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Paji eh Wong
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Congratulations on getting out.
Stick around and keep us updated. |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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Grad degree = double the pay for half the hours + long-term job security. Nough said. |
doubt it. You are making 3.5 million. There are people with BA's who make 3 million. I don't know where you get double the pay. The money one would invest in a PhD unless you get funding would produce a decent second income. Possibly more than the difference between a PhD holder and a BA holder would earn in Korea. Furthermore in the United States unless you get into a public university you won't make much. The pay of university professors at private universities is not very high. |
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PRagic
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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| You are totally off base. See P.M. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Furthermore in the United States unless you get into a public university you won't make much. The pay of university professors at private universities is not very high. |
Sorry to go off-topic, but this is wrong, wrong, wrong.
http://www.insidehighered.com/workplace/2005/04/25/pay
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Average Salaries at Doctoral Institutions, 2004-5
Rank.........Public...........Private
Professor...$97,948.....$127,214
Associate...$68,576......$82,456
Assistant....$58,310......$70,640
Instructor...$39,398......$44,380
Lecturer.....$46,007......$52,601 |
Anyways, back to the original topic. Good luck PRagic. |
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SuperFly
Joined: 09 Jul 2003
Location: In the doghouse
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 12:01 am Post subject: |
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PRagic, You're an inspiration to the rest of us who want to continue our edumacatshuns  (That was for papertiger too)
Good luck in your future endeavors! |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 1:00 am Post subject: |
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| Average Salaries at Doctoral Institutions, 2004-5 |
huffdaddy, It is not completely wrong. You are only including private universities with PhD programs. You are leaving out a lot of private liberal art schools that don't pay well. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 2:01 am Post subject: |
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| Average Salaries at Doctoral Institutions, 2004-5 |
huffdaddy, It is not completely wrong. You are only including private universities with PhD programs. You are leaving out a lot of private liberal art schools that don't pay well. |
Sorry, I assumed you could figure out how to click on the link.
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| Gaps are also present in other sectors. At baccalaureate institutions, for example, the average assistant professor at a private, non-church-related institution earns just over $51,000, while the figure is just over $48,000 at a public institution. |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:02 am Post subject: |
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| Sorry, I assumed you could figure out how to click on the link. |
I assumed that you would understand that your stats only cover a fraction of private universities. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 4:21 am Post subject: |
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| Sorry, I assumed you could figure out how to click on the link. |
I assumed that you would understand that your stats only cover a fraction of private universities. |
I assume that's as close as I'll get to "I was wrong" here on DESLC.
OBOP: Congrats again. |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| Your a true tool. You think your stats have some merit when they don't include a lot of universities. |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:45 am Post subject: |
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Average raises, and salaries across rank were: 3.1 percent at doctoral institutions ($78,236), 2.3 percent at master�s institutions ($60,807), 3.0 percent at bachelor�s institutions ($57,959) and 2.1 percent at community colleges ($52,862).
http://www.insidehighered.com/workplace/2005/04/25/pay |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:49 am Post subject: |
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| 3.0 percent at bachelor�s institutions ($57,959) |
Do you consider $57,000 for someone with a PhD a lot. The average salary in some high schools is $57,000. There are teacher's with BA's that make that much.
Not to mention once again you only included statistics from a portion of private schools. I will try to find how many private doctoral universities are in the United States. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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| 3.0 percent at bachelor�s institutions ($57,959) |
Do you consider $57,000 for someone with a PhD a lot. The average salary in some high schools is $57,000. There are teacher's with BA's that make that much. |
 You are a glutton.
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| Furthermore in the United States unless you get into a public university you won't make much. The pay of university professors at private universities is not very high. |
The question is, where will one make more, at a public school or a private school? Private schools win hands down, across the board.
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| Not to mention once again you only included statistics from a portion of private schools. I will try to find how many private doctoral universities are in the United States. |
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| Gaps are also present in other sectors. At baccalaureate institutions, for example, the average assistant professor at a private, non-church-related institution earns just over $51,000, while the figure is just over $48,000 at a public institution. |
Gee, I'm missing church-related institutions. Private schools outpay public schools in every other category.
Now, you not only have to admit that you were wrong, you also have to apologize for being an ass. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| 3.0 percent at bachelor�s institutions ($57,959) |
Do you consider $57,000 for someone with a PhD a lot. The average salary in some high schools is $57,000. There are teacher's with BA's that make that much.
Not to mention once again you only included statistics from a portion of private schools. I will try to find how many private doctoral universities are in the United States. |
People don't pursue a Phd just for the bottom line. When I watch a movie, no one is handing me a check. When I read a book no one is paying me for my time. I've given up my time and cash money for these because they interest me and at the end of the day, a person who can talk a good game at the work's lunch room table goes far.
Now a high school teacher will always be a high school teacher. No one ever calls a 60 year old high school teacher "a recognized academic" or a "noted scholar". The media never phones high school teachers for their expert opinions. High school teachers don't have great faculty lounges or much status. Erudite attractive middle aged professional women in the medical/legal/business fields don't date high school teachers as much as they date tenured professors. High school teachers don't get published. High school teachers don't contribute to the sum total of human knowledge. More high school teachers get shot in the face with zip guns than professors. High school teachers don't get nice consulting jobs or sit on important advisory bodies in exotic cities. High school teachers have to teach a lot. High school teachers can rarely argue most of their time should be taken with research and not students.
You know, the life of a tenured professor isn't really that bad, I wager. If you're paid what anyone would consider a living wage to do something you love, that's still a billion times better than being paid double a living wage to do something that stresses you out. |
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JZer
Joined: 13 Jan 2005
Location: South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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| High school teachers don't get published. |
High school teachers do publish text books but probably not much else. |
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